There are 46 possible rivers - this is the worst one

[marchron]

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Why, in the name of God, after you hit your perfect card, did you not check/raise the turn? CO will bet again

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After Hero c-rd the flop? I don't see why you think he'd bet again. Hero has to lead the turn.

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He shouldn't have c/r'd the flop. Even still, I think CO will bet a substantial amount of the time; AA-QQ are still "good" in his eyes, and he's a donk.

[Aaron W.]

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He shouldn't have c/r'd the flop. Even still, I think CO will bet a substantial amount of the time; AA-QQ are still "good" in his eyes, and he's a donk.

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I think hero must absolutely check-raise the flop.

If hero is 3-bet on the flop, then check-raise the turn. Otherwise bet and hope to 3-bet.

[marchron]

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He shouldn't have c/r'd the flop. Even still, I think CO will bet a substantial amount of the time; AA-QQ are still "good" in his eyes, and he's a donk.

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I think hero must absolutely check-raise the flop.

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What range are you putting Villain on to make check/raising right? 'Cause I can't see check/raising when JJ+ makes up such a substantial portion of his range unless you're throwing out his accumulated stats entirely. And while 27 hands ain't [censored], it doesn't take a whole lot to figure out this guy rides the short bus.

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If hero is 3-bet on the flop, then check-raise the turn. Otherwise bet and hope to 3-bet.

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If Hero gets raised on this turn after check/raising the flop, he's screwed.

[Christian_Peters]

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Why, in the name of God, after you hit your perfect card, did you not check/raise the turn? CO will bet again, and now you have him crushed unless he has JJ. You're also cutting down the proper odds for the other two dopes to draw.


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I really have a hard time understanding why attempting a c/r on the Turn is preferable to leading. CO will likely bet again w/ QQ+, but he won't with AQ+.

I think the times this gets checked through is an absolute disaster. Not only do they all get the free card, but also I'm missing all kinds of value.

[Mustafa]

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Why, in the name of God, after you hit your perfect card, did you not check/raise the turn? CO will bet again, and now you have him crushed unless he has JJ. You're also cutting down the proper odds for the other two dopes to draw.


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I really have a hard time understanding why attempting a c/r on the Turn is preferable to leading. CO will likely bet again w/ QQ+, but he won't with AQ+.

I think the times this gets checked through is an absolute disaster. Not only do they all get the free card, but also I'm missing all kinds of value.

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Given the C/R on the flop, leading the turn is correct.
I can't imagine CO having QQ+ becuase he didn't re-raise the flop especially with the 2 cold callers not 3-betting. I don't even really put AJ in the likely category. CO did a standard C-bet and is hanging on for some kind of draw, likely overcards of inconsequential suits.

[Aaron W.]

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He shouldn't have c/r'd the flop. Even still, I think CO will bet a substantial amount of the time; AA-QQ are still "good" in his eyes, and he's a donk.

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I think hero must absolutely check-raise the flop.

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What range are you putting Villain on to make check/raising right? 'Cause I can't see check/raising when JJ+ makes up such a substantial portion of his range unless you're throwing out his accumulated stats entirely. And while 27 hands ain't [censored], it doesn't take a whole lot to figure out this guy rides the short bus.

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I'm not assuming villain is a maniac, but I think 99+, AJs+, AQ+, KQs is a reasonable range to give him given his stats. He has position and one limper. There's a wide enough range of hands here that it's worth playing on for this flop (the flop isn't AKx -- in which case this is a no-brainer check-fold). But if it's worth playing on, then you want it to be heads up and not multiway. Therefore, check-raising is the best option. I'm not saying to play this like hero has the nuts, but he has a pretty good hand that's vulnerable, the pot is medium-sized and growing (9 SB), so you've got to play aggressively if you're going to play.



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If hero is 3-bet on the flop, then check-raise the turn. Otherwise bet and hope to 3-bet.

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If Hero gets raised on this turn after check/raising the flop, he's screwed.

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Hero made a set on the turn. Check-raise the turn when this happens. I'm not advocating this line if hero gets 3-bet and a blank falls on the turn.

[00Snitch]

Come on guys, you can't take 27 hands and build any kind of reads on those stats alone. I would rather you tell me what the one hand he has raised preflop in those 27 hands is, rather than asign him a 3.7% PFR.

So just 3-bet preflop you pussy. All sorts of good things happen from that, least of which being you get value for your probable best hand. Then lead pretty much any flop.

As played I like the flop c/r. CO will c-bet so often here, and unless he has AA-JJ you are good. Having just the slight chance of making a better hand (i.e. any Jack) fold for this building pot is so cool and the only way to do that is show them two bets.

A flop c/r will also protect your hand against holdings such as A5/A4/A3/A2 and 65.

So now I lead the turn, 3-bet a raise, call down if capped.

You are correct that the river is a bad card vs this many opponents, including two cold-callers, and I don't know what to do. But I sure as hell want to showdown. I probably bet and call a raise, hoping to see 2-pair. Easy fold if faced with two.

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So just 3-bet preflop you pussy. All sorts of good things happen from that, least of which being you get value for your probable best hand. Then lead pretty much any flop.

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3betting pre-flop without position vs a bunch of opponents we can't isolate, and likely we get stuck on the turn with a 2nd/3rd pair vs multiple opponents.

OP's pre-flop/flop line gives us a better chance to win this UI.

[00Snitch]

Where is the "bunch of opponents"? So far we have a limper and a raiser.

I don't know what the limper has, but I know it isn't better than TT. Raising here forces him to either put in two more bets as a (probably) big dog, or fold, granting us some extra equity. Otherwise what happens is the flop comes 9-high we bet he folds his 55 and CO calls us down with AK.