calling all-in with AK (again)

[Hundrye]

Alright he might come off as a prick there, but i wouldn't call it arrogance, because he really is pretty much right in everything he says in that post. And now you took such a small portion of my post to discredit me, I'd still like you to explain how my post was arrogant.

[CybrPunk]

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I'm amazed that arguably the best player on Stars is telling you all that you're wrong and nobody wants to beleive him.

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and who should that be?

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Shaundeeb... the guy at the top of the yearly TLB.

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you mean the arrogant kid who plays 50 tables of 4$ /180 players tourney all day? no wonder he is the TLB leader.

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I won't disagree about Shaun being arrogant but you can't discredit the fact that he wins more tournaments on Stars than anyone else. He's earned the right to be somewhat arrogant. Sometimes it may come across a bit harsh but that's only because he has to get through to thick-skinned individuals who refuse to listen to him and only point in jealousy because he wins more 180 person MTTs in a day than they could even afford to play in.

Perhaps you've missed the onslaught of other FT sweat threads he's posted... like the 109FO, 22r and various others that have much larger fields than 180 players.

Say all you want about Shaun.... I'm sure he'll cry all the way to the bank. You'll be the one losing out when he stops responding to your threads.

[dedor]

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I'm amazed that arguably the best player on Stars is telling you all that you're wrong and nobody wants to beleive him.

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and who should that be?

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Shaundeeb... the guy at the top of the yearly TLB.

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you mean the arrogant kid who plays 50 tables of 4$ /180 players tourney all day? no wonder he is the TLB leader.

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I won't disagree about Shaun being arrogant but you can't discredit the fact that he wins more tournaments on Stars than anyone else. He's earned the right to be somewhat arrogant. Sometimes it may come across a bit harsh but that's only because he has to get through to thick-skinned individuals who refuse to listen to him and only point in jealousy because he wins more 180 person MTTs in a day than they could even afford to play in.

Perhaps you've missed the onslaught of other FT sweat threads he's posted... like the 109FO, 22r and various others that have much larger fields than 180 players.

Say all you want about Shaun.... I'm sure he'll cry all the way to the bank. You'll be the one losing out when he stops responding to your threads.

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note that i didn't said he was a bad player only that he is arrogant and being a human being is much more important than a good poker player.

[woodguy]

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note that i didn't said he was a bad player only that he is arrogant and being a human being is much more important than a good poker player.

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But its an internet forum and good players are giving you quality free advice, regardless of their tone.

I learned much more (and learn more now) when I stopped getting my ego caught up in trying to be right and just tried to understand what others are saying.

The best advice I got, and still get, are from posters who can come across as abrasive.....but I posted a hand for advice in an internet forum full of good players with big egos...its kinda to be expected.

Regards,
Woodguy

BTW. Never fold here pretty much ever for the same reasons others said

[DonkeyChip]

Regarding the hand: AK hates me and I still insta-call here. I expect to have the best hand and I still expect to lose...but I still call because I think it's 'correct' to do so.

Phil Hellmuth is arrogant.
Phil Ivey is not.

Your call which you'd rather be like.

[sethypooh21]

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I'm amazed that arguably the best player on Stars is telling you all that you're wrong and nobody wants to beleive him.

Contrary to what you might think, you're still far away from significant money here and with the blinds rising your 'medium' stack will soon be one of the shorter ones. Sitting back and allowing the bigger stacks to absorb the small ones puts you at more of a disadvantage than you realize, especially as you start to play from 3 tables down to 1 and most of your play is shorthanded. Once the blinds go up and 3 or 4 more people get knocked out your 170k stack will be gone rather fast due to the blinds and antes. That's what... 15 minutes away tops? Realize that you are going to get about $200 for making the top 18 vs $10k+ for getting first. Which prize do you REALLY want?

You say your table might break and you might end up in a better seat...

Or you could also be moved and sandwiched between the two chip leaders...

The reality is nobody knows which table will break or where you will end up afterwards if it does break...

The only thing that's sure is folding AK in this spot is a huge mistake. Folding is definitely much worse than calling here.

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As a side question, I thought that the table with the fewest players is the one that breaks? In this spot, OP's table would have been down to five with the other two having 7 and 6 respectively. Am I wrong about the way stars does this?

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There is no way u r ahead here, but u r getting an overlay.

U r probably not behind, and most likely he'll show u QQ.

You should have a general rule of thumb for what #XBB u r willing to call all in PF w/ AK. This is a very important concept for your game and I've found it to be different for many players. Especially as we reevaluate AK continuously.

Having said that, I think that 20XBB is an easy call. Somewhere around 35XBB it becomes a tight fold, and ~50XBB it becomes a reasonable fold. For me.

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There is no way u r ahead here, but u r getting an overlay.

U r probably not behind, and most likely he'll show u QQ.

You should have a general rule of thumb for what #XBB u r willing to call all in PF w/ AK. This is a very important concept for your game and I've found it to be different for many players. Especially as we reevaluate AK continuously.

Having said that, I think that 20XBB is an easy call. Somewhere around 35XBB it becomes a tight fold, and ~50XBB it becomes a reasonable fold. For me.

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[locutus2002]

which part didnt u understand?

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There is no way u r ahead here, but u r getting an overlay.

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This is not true at all. He could be ahead here. SB can be restealing with a wide range. This is a button vs. blinds hand. On a 6-handed table. Nobody needs a premium hand here. And the BB has like 4xBB, he could be on a wide range here, he's got 25% of his stack in preflop...lots of players will put the rest in with any 2 cards in that spot no matter what action happens ahead of them.

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U r probably not behind, and most likely he'll show u QQ.

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U r seeing monsters.

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You should have a general rule of thumb for what #XBB u r willing to call all in PF w/ AK. This is a very important concept for your game and I've found it to be different for many players. Especially as we reevaluate AK continuously.

Having said that, I think that 20XBB is an easy call. Somewhere around 35XBB it becomes a tight fold, and ~50XBB it becomes a reasonable fold. For me.

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This part makes no sense. You should not have a general rule of thumb regarding stack size in relation to blinds to dictate whether or not you should call with AK. Stack size in relation to blinds should be a FACTOR in your decision, but probably a less significant factor than things like position, bet sizes, and reads.