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Old 04-12-2007, 04:46 PM
Hince Hince is offline
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I think his range is largely rather weak holdings and you probably aren't getting too much value here most of the time. I doubt he bets many hands that are weaker than yours on the river, so you end up calling when you are behind on the river. Therefore, I think you should bet small ($60) as we can probably extract a little value from something weaker, and may induce a raise from something weaker that assumes you are weak and trying to get a cheap showdown. If you bet too much more, I think you let him play perfectly.
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Old 04-12-2007, 04:56 PM
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What do you think villain puts you on in this hand? and so what might he call a river bet with?

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he probably thinks my range is fairly wide; i haven't been shy about 3betting him. if he assumes that i can have anything from an overpair to air after betting the flop and checking the turn, he's correct.
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Old 04-12-2007, 05:14 PM
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What do you think villain puts you on in this hand? and so what might he call a river bet with?

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he probably thinks my range is fairly wide; i haven't been shy about 3betting him. if he assumes that i can have anything from an overpair to air after betting the flop and checking the turn, he's correct.

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I think this is a big reason to bet this river. He's probably less likely to bluff a weak hand in this spot if you check to him, and much more likely to call with 1 pair.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:00 PM
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I think you should bet $150 on the river, and call a push (although that would be ugly because it would point towards him having a set).

I'm not sure what his range might be here. He could be floating the flop with a medium pair (66-TT or QQ), AJ is possible, maybe JTs, and he could be slowplaying a set.

The problem is that with most of those hands he's going to fold to a river bet with the A and K on board. But he'll probably check behind with them too if you check the river. So I don't see any value in checking if he has a weakish one pair hand.

Anyways, I think that the best play is to bet 1/2 PSB on the river in hopes that he made a lower aces-up, or just top pair.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:07 PM
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my idea with 60 is it gets crying calls from a lot of medium strength hands and can also induce a shove, you arent folding to a push anyways, so this is better than letting some medium pair have a free showdown since few people will turn a hand like 99 into a bluff if given a free showdown chance, but might raise your weak block.

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Very interesting reasoning. I never considered making a weakish river bet to induce a crying call or a potential bluff raise. This looks like a good spot for it, so I will have to add this to my repertoire.

Would anyone ever advocate betting $60 as a bluff here though? Say if OP had 9d8d here? I can see the villain calling a less than 1/4 PSB with QQ, but such a weak bet does seem to make a river bluff unlikely.

I'm curious what people would do with 9d8d in this situation on the river. Would you guys try to bluff this river scare card after he showed weakeness on the turn? If so, what bet size?
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:11 PM
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my idea with 60 is it gets crying calls from a lot of medium strength hands and can also induce a shove, you arent folding to a push anyways, so this is better than letting some medium pair have a free showdown since few people will turn a hand like 99 into a bluff if given a free showdown chance, but might raise your weak block.

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if he knows your a solid player and a decent one, i dont think your going to get bluff shoved on as often as you think. your not going to seriously be betting $60 with QQ or whatever much here (sometimes).

i think a bet of like $110 or something might work better. or like $90.
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:52 PM
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Why no turn bet here? Would you bet AQcc here?
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:32 PM
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60, call shove

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this is hot. i need to think like the hobo more
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