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03-31-2007, 02:51 AM
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Beatable Game??
$8/$16 game. with a $6 total rake. $4 rake + $1 for bad beat + $1 dealer tip. My question is....is this game still beatable? Because of the high rake...I look for games with 4 players + . Will that make this game beatable?
is there a formula for a beatable game?? please help...ty... 
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03-31-2007, 03:03 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
Yes, its beatable, if you are better than the players in the game. If they are averaging 4 to the flop, it usually is very beatable. If the table is averaging 2.5 to the flop when there is one, and there are 8.5 or more Old White Guys on the table, you might want to find a different game.
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03-31-2007, 05:21 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
[ QUOTE ]
$8/$16 game. with a $6 total rake. $4 rake + $1 for bad beat + $1 dealer tip. My question is....is this game still beatable? Because of the high rake...I look for games with 4 players + . Will that make this game beatable? is there a formula for a beatable game?? please help...ty... [/ QUOTE ] Its beatable, but that game is very swingy and this magnified by the fact that you have to beat the rake. Make sure to have a large roll and try not to steam. That is the wildest game I have ever played in regularly and you will regularly take beats you never thought possible and will run bad for extended periods. Also read this thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post9445602
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03-31-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: Beatable Game??
TY..for the replys...they help.
But I am also wondering if anyone knows of a "formula" for figuring out if ANY game is beatable. fro example at some point the rake is just too high to overcome. how does one firgure out that point? at 35 hands an hour...an estimated average of $180 is leaving the game. thats $20 per player (9 handed). so if you play even...your a damn good player (you are +$20 a hour). this being said....its obvious you need some very bad players in the game to make it a long run plus ev. any more ideas?
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03-31-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: Beatable Game??
[ QUOTE ]
TY..for the replys...they help. But I am also wondering if anyone knows of a "formula" for figuring out if ANY game is beatable. fro example at some point the rake is just too high to overcome. how does one firgure out that point? at 35 hands an hour...an estimated average of $180 is leaving the game. thats $20 per player (9 handed). so if you play even...your a damn good player (you are +$20 a hour). this being said....its obvious you need some very bad players in the game to make it a long run plus ev. any more ideas? [/ QUOTE ] The optimal strategy is playing fewer pots. Play tight and try to win big pots. But beating the rake depends on your win rate, which depends on how well you play against bad and good players and ability to adjust to changing game conditions. They don't rake every pot 6$ do they, isn't it liek 10% 6 max, is there a rake if there is no flop? Keep track of your sessions on your cell phone, then run the numbers in Excel take your total winnings / total hours. btw, this rake seems standard if not 1$ more than most places.
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#8
03-31-2007, 04:35 PM
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Re: Beatable Game??
$8/$16 with a $4+$2 rake.....is perhaps beatable for $5 a hour....if the players are bad. (perhaps true) I will try some numbers...see if you agree. A good tight player plays 20% of his starting hands. A normal dealer deals 35 hands and hour. The good player is seeing the flop 7 times an hour. he hits the flop 1/3 times. so he is winning MAYBE 2 hands an hour. he is paying 3.5 times the blinds to play ($6 x3.5=$21) the good player must make up $21 per hour (blinds) plus two rakes of $12....or $33 in two hands per hour to break even. so he needs a profit of $16.50 per hand (he wins) to break even. thats one big bet. so .. YOU NEED MISTAKES (by the other players) THAT TOTAL ATLEAST ONE BIG BET PER HAND TO BREAK EVEN. AND 2 BIG BETS TO MAKE ONE BIG BET PER HOUR PROFIT. I think that is hard to come by. first off...the "mistakes by other players"...are never full ev mistakes....cause they ussually have some outs to even the worst of calls. any more thoughts????
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#9
03-31-2007, 04:47 PM
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Re: Beatable Game??
Another problem, becomes the whole casino experience. You rightly factored in the dealer tip, but I would suggest (I know this is sucky but 8 players really have to do it) going to the cage to get chips (less expectation of a tip) and not ordering drinks unless you are prepared to stiff the waitress. This stuff adds up big time if you play alot.
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