High Stakes Poker thread 3/26 (Ivey and others)

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Townsend still looks mighty awkward playing live. And incredibly, he can cover 7/8ths of his face with one hand.


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and during the 6-8 vs. 77 hand, his chest was heaving like he was Jennifer Tilly and had flopped a set of Jacks.

[Jooka]

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b)he has something like few seconds to make up with what he says (doesn't have that extra time to analyze the played hand like we do). While it could be possible for him to think about the hands in the editing phase, I really don't believe he does that (of course there might be some exceptions).

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when else is he seeing the hands outside of the editing process?

[aislephive]

I thought this was way the best episode of the season so far, lots of new faces and top players, also quite a few interesting hands.

Hate the way DN played the first hand where he 3bet 78s and checked KKK flop, bet the 2 on the turn, then checked the Q on the river. He either needs to bet multiple streets to get Trincher off a medium pair, or just check fold. One bet will do nothing but bleed off chips.

Why the hell did Trincher take so long to call with AQ in that hand vs Laak when he bets less than 1/2 pot on the river on a great board for AQ?

I don't mind Ivey's fold of the flush draw when Williams overbets the pot and clearly has an overpair. I'd rather see him raise though, to be honest. Put Williams to the test with an overpair with a strong draw. If Williams doesn't fold, he still has a good amount of equity, and it's good for metagame as well to play those draws aggressively just like he would have if he flopped a set on that board. Ivey is obviously overrolled for the game and doesn't tilt much, so I think he should have gambled there. Raise > Fold > Call, IMO.

Ivey played the QQ hand really well. I love his river check, I don't think there is almost any reason to bet there. Ivey raises preflop, bets out on a super drawy board into 3 players, gets called in two spots and bets big on the turn, it's pretty obvious he has at least JJ+, maybe a strong top pair or something too. But nobody is going to call him with just a ten on the river with the strength Ivey has shown. Daniel's check is pretty bad too, I also would have liked to see a turn semibluff by Daniel/David, particularly Daniel.

I don't mind Brian's play either on the turn with his OESD vs DN's set. Wtf at Daniel just calling the turn, there are a lot of possible hands Brian could have picked up a draw with that he decides to semibluff, like TJ (picked up double gutter on turn), a flush draw, or some other straight draw like the one he had. And if Brian has air or misses his draw, no way is he going to try to continue a bluff vs the biggest station on HSP. But he'll surely value bet the river if he hits, Daniel got very lucky here that Brian missed and didn't get stacked.

Overall great epsisode, can't wait till next weeks.

[Equal]

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I think the hand in this episode that stuck out to me the most, specifically the one street that stuck out, was DN's 64dd on the river (58T66 two diamonds board). Why on earth did DN check????!!!! That was a PERFECT spot to overbet the pot and make it look like u missed ur flush, as its pretty hard to put u on a 6 there. I can't see any reason why DN checked that river other than to induce Williams to bluff his obvious missed flush or he thought Ivey would try value betting an overpair. I think he acted too quickly and didnt think about everyone's hand and his best play. I think a 40k-50k bet would have been called by Ivey, possibly not, but it was definitely the best chance to make money on that river, where DN should be pretty much positive he has the best hand.

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I watched this episode with Brad Booth and he felt it was a good check.

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-Is anybody ever going to tell commentators that his name is DAGOSTINO, and not, DEEEEAGOSTINO. -

I thought the same thing about Gabe's pronunciation of D'Agostino, but I think D'Agostino is either a Greek or Italian name.

Notice the apostrophe in his name. Like all apostrophes, it's replacing something. I think it's replacing the letter i. So, the correct spelling would be di Agostino or Di Agostino.

In Italian (and maybe Greek), di is pronounced deeeee(the i is pronounced like the e's in steep). So, I think Gabe's correct. Remember... Gabe knows all...or at least he thinks he does.

di Pronunciation= deee (long e sound)
—prep.
from; of: used in Italian personal names, originally to indicate place of origin: Conte di Savòia. Also,Di.
from: http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/di

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aislephive is dead on. after 16 pages finally a decent player makes an acurate description of the play

[BigSoonerFan]

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Imho, he could have thought it was a small EV play (either one), but like I said, wanted a better spot. If you think you're a much better player, then why play a pot for small EV when you can play a hand with big EV?

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Because its a cash game, that's why.

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I know that. For some reason I was thinking variance (assumed by a low EV) may be the difference, but for someone like Ivey, I guess that doesn't make much of a difference.

[MegaRigger]

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I thought this was way the best episode of the season so far, lots of new faces and top players, also quite a few interesting hands.

Hate the way DN played the first hand where he 3bet 78s and checked KKK flop, bet the 2 on the turn, then checked the Q on the river. He either needs to bet multiple streets to get Trincher off a medium pair, or just check fold. One bet will do nothing but bleed off chips.

Why the hell did Trincher take so long to call with AQ in that hand vs Laak when he bets less than 1/2 pot on the river on a great board for AQ?

I don't mind Ivey's fold of the flush draw when Williams overbets the pot and clearly has an overpair. I'd rather see him raise though, to be honest. Put Williams to the test with an overpair with a strong draw. If Williams doesn't fold, he still has a good amount of equity, and it's good for metagame as well to play those draws aggressively just like he would have if he flopped a set on that board. Ivey is obviously overrolled for the game and doesn't tilt much, so I think he should have gambled there. Raise > Fold > Call, IMO.

Ivey played the QQ hand really well. I love his river check, I don't think there is almost any reason to bet there. Ivey raises preflop, bets out on a super drawy board into 3 players, gets called in two spots and bets big on the turn, it's pretty obvious he has at least JJ+, maybe a strong top pair or something too. But nobody is going to call him with just a ten on the river with the strength Ivey has shown. Daniel's check is pretty bad too, I also would have liked to see a turn semibluff by Daniel/David, particularly Daniel.

I don't mind Brian's play either on the turn with his OESD vs DN's set. Wtf at Daniel just calling the turn, there are a lot of possible hands Brian could have picked up a draw with that he decides to semibluff, like TJ (picked up double gutter on turn), a flush draw, or some other straight draw like the one he had. And if Brian has air or misses his draw, no way is he going to try to continue a bluff vs the biggest station on HSP. But he'll surely value bet the river if he hits, Daniel got very lucky here that Brian missed and didn't get stacked.

Overall great epsisode, can't wait till next weeks.

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Nice post !

[sirpupnyc]

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QQ hand ... I also would have liked to see a turn semibluff by Daniel/David, particularly Daniel.

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Only because you want to see if Ivey can pull off the Hellmuth instapushbeatyouinthepot move, right? It's easy to say so since I could see their cards, but I think they were both so obviously drawing that there's no way Ivey wouldn't be repopping a semibluff. Calling lets them draw, raising certainly loses money when they wind up facing a big rr they can't call.

DN's check on the end was probably not to let Ivey fire again, but hoping DW would be fool enough to bet. If he finally leads out, he gets one caller, tops, and only if he doesn't bet too much (what would bet there that doesn't beat an overpair, since the draws didn't come in?). I suspect Ivey is more likely to call if DW bets than if DN bets, and if DN bets, DW isn't calling (and Ivey's Spidey sense is good enough that he might not either).

[Todd]

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b)he has something like few seconds to make up with what he says (doesn't have that extra time to analyze the played hand like we do). While it could be possible for him to think about the hands in the editing phase, I really don't believe he does that (of course there might be some exceptions).

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when else is he seeing the hands outside of the editing process?

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Remember earlier when Danny went and commentated, and then went back to playing? They seem to be commentating in real time. IF the Danny episode is to be believed.

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