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Old 03-21-2007, 05:07 PM
AMT AMT is offline
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Default Re: Find the 15% leaks.

guthrie,

that missed AQ hand is really bad...make sure thats a misclick in general [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: Find the 15% leaks.

Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?

Seat 1: Chemical502 (5095 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (3590 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1235 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ks 9s]
kappertje: calls 150
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Ac Ts]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push preflop here too ...
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:26 PM
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I fold this ...

Seat 1: Chemical502 (6970 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (1490 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (4120 in chips)
kappertje: posts small blind 75
CFriedSteak: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [4s 5s]
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: raises 770 to 920 and is all-in
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:27 PM
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Default Re: Find the 15% leaks.

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?

Seat 1: Chemical502 (5095 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (3590 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1235 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ks 9s]
kappertje: calls 150
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Ac Ts]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push preflop here too ...

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i dont particularly like either of these pushes mingdu (2nd one is much closer) unless you know this guy limps/folds frequently. he appears to be loose limping UTG so much, but that seems to make it more likely he will also call a push (if he's that loose of a player)
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:28 PM
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I fold this ...

Seat 1: Chemical502 (6970 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (1490 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (4120 in chips)
kappertje: posts small blind 75
CFriedSteak: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [4s 5s]
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: raises 770 to 920 and is all-in

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lol, not trying to pick on you, but i think this is a DEFINITE push...
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:33 PM
Mingdu Mingdu is offline
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Yeah, he sucks ... I saw this early ... he limps all the time looking to see flops. After that he backed off calling light

Like I said ... might be my leak

pokerface8: posts small blind 10
CFriedSteak: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [3d 2s]
dan-o_1966: calls 20
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: calls 20
thomascf said, "jammer"
DNA2RNA: folds
Gorvad: folds
thomascf: calls 20
kappertje: calls 20
pokerface8: raises 780 to 800 and is all-in
CFriedSteak: folds
dan-o_1966: folds
Chemical502: folds
thomascf: folds
kappertje: calls 780
thomascf said, "so obvious"
*** FLOP *** [9s Ts 8c]
*** TURN *** [9s Ts 8c] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [9s Ts 8c Qc] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerface8: shows [Kh Ah] (high card Ace)
kappertje: shows [As 2c] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
pokerface8 collected 1680 from pot
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: Find the 15% leaks.

oh i see... then K9s i like, and i still think u push 45s on button/bubble [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 03-21-2007, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Find the 15% leaks.

[ QUOTE ]


Seat 1: Gorvad (2930 in chips)
Seat 2: theezenuts (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: chipman18 (865 in chips)
Seat 4: dtnmlp (2965 in chips)
Seat 5: derek tom (2645 in chips)
Seat 6: bsandkcs (1170 in chips)
Seat 9: Slade222 (1615 in chips)
Gorvad: posts small blind 75
theezenuts: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [6c 5c]
chipman18: folds
dtnmlp: folds
derek tom: folds
bsandkcs: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: raises 2780 to 2930 and is all-in
theezenuts: folds
Gorvad collected 300 from pot
Gorvad: doesn't show hand

Looks tilty to me ... like you wished you had called the small stack and were making up for it here.

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this is a clear push, nh guthrie
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:14 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?


[/ QUOTE ]
WTF This is sosososososo bad never fold here.
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:14 PM
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ok dude, i just read the 1st HH ending in 22310, and theres a few problems already.
- first you folded 77 UTG in Level 1! this is a big mistake. you should be limping all pps from any position in unraised pots in the first 2 levels in such lowstakes games (you can tighten up just slightly at higher buyins, and by higher i mean 30-60s)

- there were a couple spots where your bb is minraised in level 1/2 where i probably wouldve completed because of great pot odds. if youre getting 5to1 or more, you should be completing with almost everything, for 15-20 chips. of course when you do this you have to be able to check fold trash middle pairs and top pairs weak kickers that you flop, but the two pairs, trips, and occasional flushes will add to your roi%

- and the last hand, you finally get AQs. i dont think you should be pushing here with 12bbs. its still too early. i havent sngpt'd it, but id bet its NOT a HUGE mistake, but its prob close to breakeven play. raise 2.5x bb and play some postflop. if you get repushed, consider folding depending on the player. but dont automatically start pushing hands on level 3 when you ahve over 10bbs!

ill be happy to look at more of these, one at a time, but i got [censored] to do at the moment

if others want to dispute my points, your all welcome,

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Thanks for the response.

When I first started, using the advice from this forum, I was folding all small pps. Then, again following advice from this forum, I started limping all of them from all positions in the first 3 levels and nearly always folding if I didn't flop a set. This worked well at the 16s and 27s. When I moved down to the 6.50s, it almost never worked. There seems to be a virus at the 6.50s where if someone limps early, three more people limp, then the button or BB sees all those chips out there and raises. When I looked at PT stats for small pps in the early levels, I was getting killed. So right now, I'm folding nearly all small pps early, and limping others, depending on passive the table is.

I tend to call minraises with decent cards in the BB at the 16s and 27s, but again, at the 6.50s, the raiser is almost always going to C-bet the flop and I'd rather save chips for push/fold later than try to guess what the donk raised with.

The problem with AQs and 12BBs is that if I raise, get called, and miss the flop, I'm done, and down to less than 10BB on the next round. I'd rather push here. Maybe this wrong, and I don't always do it, but it seems to work.

I'm not arguing here, just giving my reasons for doing what I'm doing. I'm completely open to changing anything.
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