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Old 03-01-2007, 10:03 PM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet

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We're a sorry lot of weak-tight girlymen. Think about what kind of orgasms our opponents would be having all over this pot with AA.

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Our opponents have orgasms any time they flop top pair, let alone an overpair. Most of them are never getting away from AA, no matter the flop (not even on 678 monocolored).

Not getting stacked with TPTK/overpairs is one of the main advantages we have over the donkey's.

However, this board is so good for us and our image is loose so we should be villing to play for stacks IMO. It's just a question of how we get the most value. I don't think the best way is to raise the turn.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet

To continue the hand

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
CO: $32.40
BTN: $27.90
SB: $41.1
BB: $19.6
Hero (UTG): $28.90

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($0.35, 5 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($8, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3

<font color="black">River:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($14, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $5.75</font>

My hand can't be good now can it? Or can Villain bet river with a pocket pair?
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:02 PM
VPIP100 VPIP100 is offline
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Default Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet

You can fold this safely, just call if hes retarded.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:11 PM
allaboutmyfetti allaboutmyfetti is offline
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Default Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet

wat was villian's w2sd? I raise this turn a lot ... i think i have a personal vendetta against the c/c-donk line.
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Old 03-02-2007, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet

There are no draws out there, so calling is good here.
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Old 03-02-2007, 03:28 PM
SCBielski SCBielski is offline
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I'd raise the turn. This looks a lot like KQ or KJ getting excited on the turn because they have action. If you raise the turn to $9 you get more value than calling the $3 bet on the turn and then their $6 bet on the river. As for the river, you can easily fold this and be confident they have a fullhouse, esscially because of the value bet on the river.
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