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#21
02-21-2007, 01:29 AM
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Re: AA check, and call
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[ QUOTE ] Also, when you raise and he has QJ he has to be pretty confused as to what you have. I think a J will often not 3 bet here thinking that you have to have A4s or maybe a bluff which you would not call a 3 bet anyway. [/ QUOTE ] i find it hard to beleive a j is not 3towning a river c/r. [/ QUOTE ] I probably should have used the word 'sometimes' rather than 'often'. 
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#22
02-21-2007, 05:41 AM
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Re: AA check, and call
I think the line you chose is perfectly acceptable, but it's funny how people tend to run bad in different ways. Instead of check/calling a lot, I seem to wind up betting the turn/folding to a raise a lot when running bad. Something you're probably too good/too feared to have to go through.
So because of my running bad image, I'd prefer to lead the turn in order to induce the inevitable bluff/raise on the turn that is sure to come. I might even lead the river. But again, I think your line is fine.
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#23
02-21-2007, 09:08 AM
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Re: AA check, and call
I'm with goofball here, since you are running bad and never has the good why is betting the turn so bad ? Why wouldn't you want to bet the turn and have it raised by a hand like 66-77. Sicne you are running bad he might want to push your around some...
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#24
02-21-2007, 12:28 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
this is my thought as well, can someone expand on why this isnt "correct" according to all the other 2+2ers? I just think we can make an extra bet here a large % of the time. Risk = reward and I would love to know a hand range that the calling advocates are putting him on???
I am really looking to learn from this post, maybe this is a crap spot in my game (over agg?) thanks cdl
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#25
02-21-2007, 02:55 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
i actually really like this line, if you lead the turn and he has trips jacks your going to pay him off and lose more bets. If he has nothing and peeled lightly he will fold to a bet and you win nothing. Same with the river, checking risks very little since you wont lose many bets and allows him to bet in to you with a very wide range. He also prolly thinks you will pay him off a with a weak pair so he can easily have 33-99. I think you played this hand very well for the circumstances.
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#26
02-21-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
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"He doesn't have TT-KK here ever" only played a handful of times with him but have seen him more than once cold call raises with big pairs and then play them weird postflop. [/ QUOTE ] Agree with this and also agree he is very very good. I think you played it well, not much to add I guess. Run better. -DeathDonkey
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#27
02-21-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
Didn't someone post a hand almost exactly like this a few months ago? I'm not sure if the guy coldcalled preflop or if hero 3-bet preflop from the blinds but the flop was paired and the postflop action was identical and hero had AA or KK.
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#28
02-21-2007, 09:04 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
I think you played it perfectly considering the fators you described.
At first I thought maybe a river check raise was in order but in hindsight he probably has nothing or a jack so a check call is the winner in the win most lose least contest. Personally, if he a solid hi stakes player cold called my under the gun raise, the Jacks would scare me. If he is tailoring his play to take advantage of how poorly you are a running, I think he would three bet to isolate with a lot of pair hands and better aces. The JJ flop just seems like it could be in the wheelhouse of JTs, QJs, KJs, hands that perhaps he would play for two cold feeling that headsup versus schneids is just fine, but hey, if i get action from around back I'm okay too. All in all thouugh I think bet check/call check/call is ideal in this spot in this day and age.
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#29
02-21-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
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Didn't someone post a hand almost exactly like this a few months ago? I'm not sure if the guy coldcalled preflop or if hero 3-bet preflop from the blinds but the flop was paired and the postflop action was identical and hero had AA or KK. [/ QUOTE ] and?
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#30
02-21-2007, 10:09 PM
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Re: AA check, and call
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The JJ flop just seems like it could be in the wheelhouse of JTs, QJs, KJs, hands that perhaps he would play for two cold feeling that headsup versus schneids is just fine, but hey, if i get action from around back I'm okay too. [/ QUOTE ] Why would he want to coldcall an UTG raise w/such a dominated hand? I feel it would be more likely for him to do it w/a mid pp.
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