No fear! (Joker gets aggressive)

[mikelow]

Good luck! Might as well have Ac6d. I'm sure mike l. would approve.

[roy_miami]

I highly doubt a fish plays a 5 like that unless he has the King of spades to go with it maybe. He either has Q9 or a smaller flush.

The ideal play on the river is bet-fold. Big pot means you need big balls to follow through on that though.

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PJ: River really confuses me because of the villain's read on your hand. No way will he believe you have a pair of Q's after the flop and turn action. I know your plan was to bet/fold, please share some more insight why a bet is better than a check in this specific scenario.

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[benwood]

River:He has a smaller flush & will call you with it,Nice bet.

[jba]

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PJ: River really confuses me because of the villain's read on your hand. No way will he believe you have a pair of Q's after the flop and turn action. I know your plan was to bet/fold, please share some more insight why a bet is better than a check in this specific scenario.

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TT, are you going to check/fold? because check/call is pretty bad here for the reasons OP already gave.

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PJ: River really confuses me because of the villain's read on your hand. No way will he believe you have a pair of Q's after the flop and turn action. I know your plan was to bet/fold, please share some more insight why a bet is better than a check in this specific scenario.

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TT, are you going to check/fold? because check/call is pretty bad here for the reasons OP already gave.

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I never said fold.

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[jba]

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PJ: River really confuses me because of the villain's read on your hand. No way will he believe you have a pair of Q's after the flop and turn action. I know your plan was to bet/fold, please share some more insight why a bet is better than a check in this specific scenario.

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TT, are you going to check/fold? because check/call is pretty bad here for the reasons OP already gave.

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I never said fold.

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TT what range are you putting villain on. do you think he's actually going to check behind with a boat here? Do you think he has a queen? might he have a flush?

[private joker]

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PJ: River really confuses me because of the villain's read on your hand. No way will he believe you have a pair of Q's after the flop and turn action. I know your plan was to bet/fold, please share some more insight why a bet is better than a check in this specific scenario.

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TT, it's not so much that I'm trying to represent a Q here, even though it's certainly one secondary reason to bet. The main reason is in reading his hand. I think the only logical conclusions are that he has a 5 or a flush. But let's look closer at when he came alive. He raised the flop, as people might do here with a) a flush draw, b) a Q, c) a 5.

But then I 3-bet the flop, and he just called even though there was another person in the hand. If he'd had the made hand, he'd 4-bet. Then the turn brings a third spade. I continue betting, and now he raises! What did he like about that 9s? It really makes a flush look very likely, which is why I insta 3-bet the turn. He could also have a 5, and for some reason decided to slow on the flop and come back again on the turn (maybe his tanking was like, "oh no, are my three 5s any good now that the spade came in?").

So I have to bet the river because I just won't get raised very often at all. If he is bold enough to raise a 5, I'm beat anyway. It is a ridiculously easy fold to a raise here, since nobody at Commerce ever expects their opponent to fold in this spot. If this guy is raising me, he has a boat 100% of the time. But since flushes are just as likely as boats, and add in the fact that he won't raise a 5 very often, there's still value in betting out because he will find it way too hard to fold a flush for 1 more bet in a huge pot.

If I'm going to put one more bet into this pot, it's going to be with me betting -- not calling.

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But then I 3-bet the flop, and he just called even though there was another person in the hand. If he'd had the made hand, he'd 4-bet.

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Ahh - Perhaps I'm getting a bit used to the lack of aggression in Vegas games, surprisingly I have seen the call/raise turn line with multi-way monsters a lot out here. The locals like to slow down and trap in the 8/16 and 15/30 games (thats what I have been playing lately), thats why I found it hard to define the hand by discounting the 5x range. My error, I've let my recent experience warp my mind [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Thanks for getting it straight.

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[cgrohman]

Are you sure he will call you with a lower flush on the river? It essentially beats nothing given the action.