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Old 02-19-2007, 03:44 AM
birdman6fo birdman6fo is offline
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Default 200 NL- Out of Position

No reads except that Villain is 18/14 over 1700 hands. I feel like this is a fold or push situation, but I'm not really sure. What do you guys do?

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
Hero (SB): $792.1
BB: $198
UTG: $259.65
MP: $211.20
CO: $204.40
BTN: $34

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3, 6 players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $16

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($48, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $39</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $78</font>, Hero.....?
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:45 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

fold
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

don't reraise this preflop against this villian. Flat. As played, check flop and call probably. Maybe c/f turn. As REALLY played, easy easy fold
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

ez fold

is it standard to 3bet preflop in this spot?
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:25 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

nice stack. Definitely looks like a fold to me
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Old 02-19-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

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ez fold

is it standard to 3bet preflop in this spot?

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I'm not sure about this either. I've been playing full ring for the last 4 years, and this was my first shot at the 6-max. This is a pretty standard call in full ring against an utg raiser, but I thought 10 10 were likely ahead of his range here.
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:03 PM
Mr. Sakuraba Mr. Sakuraba is offline
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

What if you have QQ/KK/AA instead of TT here? Is a push correct given the draws on the flop, or do you still fold?
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

kk and aa is an insta call. qq is close. An 18/14 range is pretty limited utg. He folds out worse and calls with better with the rr.
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

carrotsnake, you're really just calling this out of the blinds v an 18/14 UTG raise? And as played you're c/c-ing? I can see that logic, at least.
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: 200 NL- Out of Position

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What if you have QQ/KK/AA instead of TT here? Is a push correct given the draws on the flop, or do you still fold?

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AA and KK are not being folded on the flop. I would probably call the flop raise and CRAI a safe turn.

QQ i would probably call the flop and then see what he does on the turn. If he continues to bet hard then i would probably release. I think its fairly standard for a vanilla TAG to "slowplay" AA and KK preflop and then play it out like this.
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