The Grandma dilemma: Debunking the myths

[runout_mick]

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- My friend gets deep in a tourney and says, "strass, come help me out". So I go over to his room and talk with him as he plays.

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I've done this for my brother once. He's a super lag and can always accululate chips but always flames out. So he called me this one particlular night with desparation in his voice and asked for help. I was not in the particular tourney at all and didn't think I did anything wrong by coaching him.

Btw, he won the tourney. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I think we all have done this. It does go against the letter of the law, but compared to the point sirio makes it's like comparing jaywalking to manslaughter...

It's a matter of degrees...

[chuckleslovakian]

Another thing that should be considered is that these are only the odds they will be at the table at the start. But the odds they will be at the same table go up when we look at the whole tourney. The 1/80 odds they will share the same table at a big Stars might be more like 1/40 by the end of the tourney, but it is much harder to do the math for that.

[rockin]

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- My friend gets deep in a tourney and says, "strass, come help me out". So I go over to his room and talk with him as he plays.

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I've done this for my brother once. He's a super lag and can always accululate chips but always flames out. So he called me this one particlular night with desparation in his voice and asked for help. I was not in the particular tourney at all and didn't think I did anything wrong by coaching him.

Btw, he won the tourney. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I think we all have done this. It does go against the letter of the law, but compared to the point sirio makes it's like comparing jaywalking to manslaughter...

It's a matter of degrees...

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I agree. and i also think that it is something i can live with knowing that it happens (taking over for someone). The 2 account or playing on someone else's account, however, I would prefer not to live with.

When playing on someone else's account, what's the next step, playing both accounts right?

[fiskebent]

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So we agree that cheaters with multiple IP addresses are more likely to cheat at cash tables than at MTTs?

[madmisha]

One more thing on Sirio's math, reality is much worse than this when you factor in the average number of tables you sit at during a given tourney. My guess it is at least 2, which would increase the odds by 4 over what Sirio has calculated for the two account scenario.

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i just said that

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So we agree that cheaters with multiple IP addresses are more likely to cheat at cash tables than at MTTs?

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No? Anyone that would cheat at a cash game, CERTAINLY would cheat in a big tournament where they could win 140k. It's not like the cheaters can pull in 140k every night in at the tables colluding.

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i just said that

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So we agree that cheaters with multiple IP addresses are more likely to cheat at cash tables than at MTTs?

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mostly yes. sitngos would be same scenario and with a chance to lock up 2 pay spots. i do believe that it is also based on preferences. i guess, i'm just biased, i never really cared much for the cash games. i play them occasionally, but there's just something about having to stay the course of a tournament (be it sng or MTT). you are locked in, so to speak.

cash games would probably be the smartest choice for cheaters witht 2 IP addresses. just remember, they get bored too, everybody nees a little variety, plus those Sunday big money MTT's (with huge paydays) look awful tempting for those cleaning up on the cash games during the weak, they can easily fund several entries.

[Max Weinberg]

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I have noticed the fields getting larger and larger on the Stars and Party weekend and super daily tournaments. About a month ago, I was thinking it was unreal the number of players willing, and have the resources, to play these large buy-in tournaments.

Say the increase was 1000 players/tournament the last few months. If half or 500 of these new players are duplicate accounts, or maybe a quarter or 250, then "Houston we have a problem"....a major probelm

I have this sinking feeling players realize they will not be caught so are opening multiple accounts. The sites are not policing accounts from the same IP address. Thus, the influx of "new" players to the major tournaments.

Thoughts???


Stipe_fan

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I think you're pretty much correct with your analysis.

The larger buy-in events have ballooned over the past few months, and I highly doubt that most of those are new players who simply thought it would be a good idea to throw down $220 on a tournament. Although it doesn't really bother me that much at the moment, every time a JJ wins and publicizes that he wasn't caught, more sharks will smell the blood in the water and start to multi-play.

No way to stop it unfortunately, which is why it doesn't bother me too much. There'd be about as much success in trying to stop the Earth from orbiting the sun.

[derosnec]

Yesterday, in the PS 180, I raise pf and two others call, I bet the flop and am reraised and I fold. The others then check down the turn and river faster than lightning. Could be nothing. But now that I know there are multi accounts out there, I can't help but wonder.

[Dave D]

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- I'm on the bus on the way home, and I look at my watch and whoa its 4:15pm on sunday. I call a friend and ask him to log on and play the first hour of the sunday tourneys for me until I get back.


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I don't think most people have a problem with this. I think Lee Jones explicitly said this was ok, but I'm not 100% sure if he meant this kind of case.

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- My friend gets deep in a tourney and says, "strass, come help me out". So I go over to his room and talk with him as he plays.


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This is kinda sketch, but again, nobody really cares b/c you're not cheating. The other players don't have an unfair advantage (except for maybe not knowing their reads are wrong now), but I'm one of those people that says you can't have a 100% read on anyone online anyway, so whatever.

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- Friend calls me up: "crap I'm deep in xyz tourney and have to go, can you play for xx%?"



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you aren't hurting anyone else, this is fine.


As I think others are saying, the litmus test is "is it hurting others". Changing the person playing doesn't really hurt anyone else, especially considering how often we get moved during a tournament. Having two accounts does hurt others, as already explained.

I'm all for a 1 IP per tournament rule. For the big tournaments, as well as the small ones. If you're willing to fork over $215 (or I guess a little less to qualify), you should be able to pay $30 a month for your own cable modem line or whatever. I realize that the really skilled cheaters would just all do this, but its better than nothing and would help a little.