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#51
02-05-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
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You can not have professionals in any endeavor that is not based in some part on skill. There are professional poker players therefore it must be based in part on skill. [/ QUOTE ] Professional Roulette Player Explain to a non-gambler how coining yourself a "winner" or "professional" makes it so. 
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#52
02-05-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
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[ QUOTE ] this legislation is not about wether the game is skillfull or not. the stock market is a more disturbing form of gambling in a sense. and the racetrack certainly isnt skillfull. the law affected somebody in a positive way. that somebody paid off alot of suits to get it through. just like in my state how drinking tickets have gone up and cigarettes are taxed alot. trust me they dont want us to quit smoking or drinking under age, they just want to get more money from things certain to happen. we have new seatbelt laws because the insurance companys hate medical bills and wrongfull death suits trust me there is an invisible hand in play here, we just need to find out who it is. [/ QUOTE ] i don't understand what this has to do with how to prove poker is a game of skill. [/ QUOTE ] the point is that its already been proven. if there are professionals doin nothin but playin poker then its has to be skill full. just like other jobs take other "skills" my point lame post
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#53
02-05-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
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trust me there is an invisible hand in play here, we just need to find out who it is. [/ QUOTE ] Ermmm... Uncle Sam and the US gaming lobby.
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#54
02-05-2007, 02:36 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
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I think the problem is that the courts are trying to decide whether poker is a game of skill or luck. Obviously it is a skill game that involves luck. I've never understood what exactly they are trying to decide. Chess is a game involving all skill and no luck, while baccarat involves all luck and no skill, and poker is in between--along with things like betting on horses. [/ QUOTE ] Strassa always makes great posts. Agreed.
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#55
02-05-2007, 03:03 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
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[ QUOTE ] You can not have professionals in any endeavor that is not based in some part on skill. There are professional poker players therefore it must be based in part on skill. [/ QUOTE ] Professional Roulette Player Explain to a non-gambler how coining yourself a "winner" or "professional" makes it so. [/ QUOTE ] There is no such thing as a professional Roulette player - even if he calls himself one. You can't beat the house even with a double down strategy because of the cap on the betting amount and the existence of green and double green colors.
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#56
02-05-2007, 06:20 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
Stopped reading after a couple dozen responses, but a good start would be arguing that the state of California considers poker a game of skill. That is a pretty big precedent. Also, one could research whatever their rational was and repeat it.
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02-05-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can not have professionals in any endeavor that is not based in some part on skill. There are professional poker players therefore it must be based in part on skill. [/ QUOTE ] Professional Roulette Player Explain to a non-gambler how coining yourself a "winner" or "professional" makes it so. [/ QUOTE ] There is no such thing as a professional Roulette player - even if he calls himself one. You can't beat the house even with a double down strategy because of the cap on the betting amount and the existence of green and double green colors. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#58
02-06-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
Anyone really interested in this topic, check out the article discussed in this thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD
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#59
02-06-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
Explain the the majority of players who sit down are losing players who might as well hit the slot machines as play poker, and that they are probably relying completely on their 'luck' to win money.
Oh wait, that might not be too smart. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#60
02-06-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: OK so how would you go about showing poker is a game of skill?
I think this is a fairly easy question. Create two games of x hands of a limit game (HE, for simplicity), where each hand is played from the same seeded deck.
In game one, apply a random strategy, where at each point in the hand where hero is provided with a decision (fold/call/raise) his action is determined randomly. (or close enough... use seed numbers from your internal clock or roll a die) In game two, the hands are played by a competent human player. Even better, you could have Villain employ the random strategy, and Hero is a competent human player. Then you just need to calculate your St/D and play enough hands to be 99+% confident that Hero is a winner.
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