Low stake "pros" ???

[jjshabado]

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People survive on minimum wage and other low paying jobs. I think you could make a living playing 3/6 to 5/10 limit if you're willing to put in the hours. I think it would be a horrible job but possible. Maybe fun for a year of your life after school, but after that...

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Yeah, who would want a job where you sit on your ass all day, indoors, guzzle free beer all day, work flexible hours, watch tv if you want, get a free lunch included, have no boss to report to, have the ability to move to another workplace if you don't like your "co-workers", and can never be fired?

Sounds like pure hell.

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How long have you been playing poker? If I had to support myself on live poker and was playing 5-10 limit I'd go nuts, you're better off being a waiter or something. Seriously, it would be so stressful.

[/ QUOTE ]How is live poker stressful? I've played online poker for 3 years for a living, and I can understand how 12 tabling 8 hours a day can be VERY stressful. However, I'm just now making the transition to live game pro and I've noticed no stress at all. Obviously it sucks to lose money at times, but you're basically just sitting around, drinking, watching tv, talking, folding a bunch of hands, and playing one hand that requires a litte thought every 15 minutes or so.

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I'd find it pretty damn stressful if I was playing for a living. I hate downswings now, I can't even imagine the stress I'd have if I needed that money.

[jjshabado]

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People survive on minimum wage and other low paying jobs. I think you could make a living playing 3/6 to 5/10 limit if you're willing to put in the hours. I think it would be a horrible job but possible. Maybe fun for a year of your life after school, but after that...

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Yeah, who would want a job where you sit on your ass all day, indoors, guzzle free beer all day, work flexible hours, watch tv if you want, get a free lunch included, have no boss to report to, have the ability to move to another workplace if you don't like your "co-workers", and can never be fired?

Sounds like pure hell.

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grinding out a living playing 5-10 limit live would be worse than hell.

40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year. so 2000 hours X 25 hands an hour = 50,000 hands.

Assuming at most 2BB/100 after rake and tips and gas and food and crap like that, you are looking at 20/100

so 200/1000 2000/10000 and finally 10,000/50,000

so yes, 40 hours a week, and 50 weeks, and you will make a whopping $10,000. good job.

this is assuming you are actually a good player, and you can actually run well during this said year.

So know, it's not possible ot make a living playing 5-10 LHE in a casino that rakes $4 a hand.

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I thought it was pretty commonly accepted that you could make 1-2BB/HOUR playing 3/6 and 5/10. I only have 175 hours or so of 3/6 but I'm at 1.8BB/hour after tips/tokes/rake.

At 3/6 I think its easily possible to make $10/hour. You can live off that.

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So you are saying you are going to average $10/hour at 3-6. I'll tell you right off you wont, because you won't. I barely average $10/hour at 5-10 at the local casino, and I'm a better player than you.

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Well my penis is 17 inches long.

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Off of that topic though, lets do some math

You are saying $10/hour, so that equal $10/25 hands, so $40/100 hands.


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I counted hands at the Taj 3/6 game I played in yesterday over four seperate half hour periods. We were getting 33-38 hands in an hour with no automatic shuffler. No retards at the table, but counting on less than 33.3 hands an hour on average at a casino with a shuffler (like the Borgata where most of my time is spent) is just plain wrong.

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So you are telling me you are going to me 6+BB/100 hands, on average.


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Nope I'm telling you its 4.5-5BB/100

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Wrong. Even if you were a ringer, a full time pro, you would probably make 3.5BB/100 hands, lets just say 4BB/100, because I'm lazy at math

So now you make 1BB/25 hands, so 1BB/hour so $6/hour.

Thats a legitimate pro.


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There are many people on this site (people that are also better than me at poker. I'll let you wag your penis to them to decide who is better between you) who have agreed that the number of mistakes made by opponents at a $4 rake + $1 tip 3/6 game will support 1.5-2BB/hour.

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If you can beat any game like that for 4BB/100, you should be playing online.

The idea of a "low-limit" live pro is dumb. If you can beat the game, then play online and play 20,000+ hands a month and earn some real $$.

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Thats not the point. Nobody is arguing that there aren't better options, my point was that you could survive off of playing 3/6-5-10 limit poker.

Even if we took your assumption of $6/hour you could still survive off of that. Play 60 hours/week and you're making the equivalent of $9/hour at a 40 hour/week job. Many people live off of that or less. I've made it quite clear I think that that life would suck, but its quite possible which makes your statement that:

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So know, it's not possible ot make a living playing 5-10 LHE in a casino that rakes $4 a hand.


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completely wrong. Please suck my 17.

[jjshabado]

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So you are saying you are going to average $10/hour at 3-6. I'll tell you right off you wont, because you won't. I barely average $10/hour at 5-10 at the local casino, and I'm a better player than you.

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10 years ago $10/hr at $3-$6 was pretty easy to make. The rake is higher these days, but the players are enough weaker (at these levels) to offset that. I would expect a good player to make very similiar amounat at 3-6 and 5-10 as 3-6 is a good structure that promotes action and 5-10 is a horrible action and is only spread in out of the way places that don't know any better.

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Woot! Somebody much better than me at poker seems to agree with me.

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So you are saying you are going to average $10/hour at 3-6. I'll tell you right off you wont, because you won't. I barely average $10/hour at 5-10 at the local casino, and I'm a better player than you.

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10 years ago $10/hr at $3-$6 was pretty easy to make. The rake is higher these days, but the players are enough weaker (at these levels) to offset that. I would expect a good player to make very similiar amounat at 3-6 and 5-10 as 3-6 is a good structure that promotes action and 5-10 is a horrible action and is only spread in out of the way places that don't know any better.

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Woot! Somebody much better than me at poker seems to agree with me.

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I thought it was pretty commonly accepted, even in a few 2p2 books that it is extremely tough to make over 1bb/hour in live, low limit games, and 1.5 is damn near impossible? I might be remembering things wrong, but with the rake and tips and stuff, making 7$/hour in 3/6 is a bitch, not because of the players quality of play, but becuase of tokes, rake etc. Very rarely do you get a table where you can consistently get 30+ hands an hour, unless its a table that you dont want to be at in the first place. I always just use 30 hands/hour in figuring my hourly rate. Playing low lhe for a living, is retarded imo (live), 99% of the time, games at 3 times the stakes arent hard to beat for a good clip.

[Assani Fisher]

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How many real pros drink at the table? That's poor discipline and I know of a couple of otherwise good players that went broke because they couldn't handle their alcohol.

[/ QUOTE ]I drink nearly everytime I play live and have gotten hammered quite a few times. I honestly don't think it makes me play any worse.

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I thought it was pretty commonly accepted, even in a few 2p2 books that it is extremely tough to make over 1bb/hour in live, low limit games, and 1.5 is damn near impossible?

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I don't have the figures in front of me to know the exact number of hours but in 98 and 99 prior to the MGM closing its poker room I played about 40 hours a week there and beat the 4-8 game for $15/hr (the actual number was either just over or just below $15). This game was sometimes played with a half kill to 6-12, but it was also played with blinds half the normal size.

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How many real pros drink at the table? That's poor discipline and I know of a couple of otherwise good players that went broke because they couldn't handle their alcohol.

[/ QUOTE ]I drink nearly everytime I play live and have gotten hammered quite a few times. I honestly don't think it makes me play any worse.

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I can agree with this myself but I have to qualify it a bit. I dont drink when playing NLHE but if I am playing an Omaha H/L game I can get tanked, this is mainly because I could play O8 in my sleep as I have so many more hours playing it that I feel like im on auto-pilot and no amount of booze could change my decisions.

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I thought it was pretty commonly accepted, even in a few 2p2 books that it is extremely tough to make over 1bb/hour in live, low limit games, and 1.5 is damn near impossible?

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I don't have the figures in front of me to know the exact number of hours but in 98 and 99 prior to the MGM closing its poker room I played about 40 hours a week there and beat the 4-8 game for $15/hr (the actual number was either just over or just below $15). This game was sometimes played with a half kill to 6-12, but it was also played with blinds half the normal size.

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so the blinds were 1/2 all the time? or are you saying the game, when it was killed, stayed at the normal 2$, 4$ blinds?

[JJH3984]

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How many real pros drink at the table? That's poor discipline and I know of a couple of otherwise good players that went broke because they couldn't handle their alcohol.

[/ QUOTE ]I drink nearly everytime I play live and have gotten hammered quite a few times. I honestly don't think it makes me play any worse.

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Right. and driving drunk doesn't make you drive worse.

As to the argument between Hip and whoever:

Hip also plays in Detroit where the rake is 5+1 (or is it 6+1?) which probably effects his winrate substantially.

Also he probably isn't that much better than you. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Assani Fisher]

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How many real pros drink at the table? That's poor discipline and I know of a couple of otherwise good players that went broke because they couldn't handle their alcohol.

[/ QUOTE ]I drink nearly everytime I play live and have gotten hammered quite a few times. I honestly don't think it makes me play any worse.

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Right. and driving drunk doesn't make you drive worse.

As to the argument between Hip and whoever:

Hip also plays in Detroit where the rake is 5+1 (or is it 6+1?) which probably effects his winrate substantially.

Also he probably isn't that much better than you. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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How do you possibly equate what I said to alcohol not affecting your motor skills?

I honestly think that, if anything, I play BETTER when drinking because I'm having more fun and can be more patient. Poker isn't that difficult, especially lower stakes games.