Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?

[TheNoodleMan]

Go look at all of Manning's playoff losses and you'll find that Edge is the one consistently under performing.

[TheNoodleMan]

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I think NFL back-ups are not much worse than NFL starters, across the board. I may be wrong

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You are wrong.

[Jack of Arcades]

Seadood, the point is that Brady has played similar or worse to Peyton in the playoffs, but his D and ST have won, almost despite him in some games.

[Jack of Arcades]

Top 5 DPAR, 02-06:

Manning - 663.9
Brady - 391.7
Green - 387.5
Bulger - 325
Hasselbeck - 301.9


Top 5 DPAR per game, 02-06:

Manning: 8.30 (80 g)
Palmer: 5.43 (45 g)
Bulger: 5.40 (60 g)
Green: 5.38 (72 g)
Brady: 4.90 (80 g)

DPAR is the best of any stat that you can use, but like any other stat it still has the issue of teammates.

[lastchance]

That's ridiculous though. Manning has slightly less than twice as much DPAR as any other QB in the league?

Wow.

[TheRover]

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Not to mention the fact that the Colts know they're [censored] if Manning gets hurt. It doesn't matter how much game time Sorgi gets, if Manning goes out its game over.

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But this doesn't answer why he's in for every single snap. Just saying "They are screwed if Sorgi goes in anyway" isn't a good reason to leave Peyton out there non-stop. Are the powers-that-be protecting Mannings stats? Or is the season so short that they'd rather get the starter as many reps as possible going into post-season? (Probably).

I think in a lot of cases (obv. not INdy), the head coach is "afraid" of getting the back-up enough (non-injury) chances to prove himself for fear of sparking a QB controversy in the media. No coach wants to deal with that.

I think NFL back-ups are not much worse than NFL starters, across the board. I may be wrong, but it's not like in baseball where the #5 starter is nowhere close to #1 starter (yet still gets 34 chances to prove himself). MLB coaches love getting rookie starter starts because they have plenty of places to put them. NFL coaches have one spot for QB and probably don't want to deal with a tough decision.

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I can't tell if you're serious or not, but how many passes did Matt Cassel attempt? Anthony Wright?

Yes, you are wrong about the quality of backup QBs.

[Jack of Arcades]

Like I said, he started to pull away in 03.

He's lead from 03-06, also lead in 00.

The thing of it is no qb has really been consistent except Green and Brady, and even they had two pretty average years. Bulger and Palmer haven't had many games. In 04, the only guy close to him (within 60! DPAR) was Culpepper. Then it was Brady, Green, and McNabb. In 06, only Bulger and Brees were within 80! And then you remember Brees blew for 2 years...

[Needle77]

Backups vs Starters,


The major reason why backups are so far behind starters is due to practice time. Starts take 80% of the snaps in practice and it's the same during the off-season. Backups just don't get the reps to be anywhere near as good as a starter. Then there is the issue of talent and well, that is an issue with the coach.

Gametime is great, but with only 20% of the snaps and of that most likely only half those snaps are with starters the back up is no where near up to speed with his teammates.

[Jeff W]

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PHB,

The major reason why backups are so far behind starters is that they are less talented.

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FYP.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Seadood, the point is that Brady has played similar or worse to Peyton in the playoffs, but his D and ST have won, almost despite him in some games.

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Jack how do you come to this conclusion?