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Old 01-21-2007, 02:26 PM
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His AF of 3.3 is very high. But that says even more that he is NOT capping only his sets, but also his top pair, two pair, overpair etc.
Including the PFR into the analysis, I think this is more like an overpair than a set, maybe jack/ace kicker.
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:38 PM
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That is right, however, he raises reasonably. That's the problem, imho. So, 2pair is just about impossible here (well, yeah, never say never, but still...) for him, as I don't see someone who has 10% pfr to raise J7s.

Leaves AJ, KJ, QJ, JT(maybe), 33, 77, (TT)JJ+ as his plausible holdings.

With those, we are behind often, pretty bad behind 33, 77, JJ, KK and AJ.
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:44 PM
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I would raise this preflop. With a few or less limpers you want to isolate if you can. If the blinds will fold you should raise to get it short handed with KJo.

I would 3-bet the flop. BB's bet doesn't mean crap. UTG's bet might mean something, but his stats look taggy. Is that a fair read? If so he could be raising a worse hand thank TP2K and I 3-bet.

If he's a thinking player he will want to isolate BB because he's probably betting light. Thus he could be raising a lot more and you have to three bet.
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:45 PM
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No. I wouldnt call down unless you hit a K on the turn. I would call the flop cap but fold the turn UI.

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with those stats over 100 hands I'm showing down TP2K unless the board turns to crap. Dude looks like a maniac. He could be jamming jx here.

edit: i just read the above posts and the read that he raises reasonably preflop. So i change my opinion to see the turn and fold unimproved on the river.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:24 PM
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I have a hard time letting this one go. The BB raised 2 limpers; you don't have to have a top 11% hand to do that; you have to have more than crud. He probably thinks he's up against drawing hands or small pairs. His range could be huge.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:31 PM
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And AJ is not so likely because he would have raised

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AJo would usually be open limped in ep, but AJs would be raised. Villain could still have AJo. I'm still 3-betting here.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:32 PM
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I didn´t raise pf, cuz i thought since BB was loose, i couldn´t get it heads up. I also remember SSHE saying something like "also consider who has limped before you when playing this hand". I was trying to think whether i was behind to UTG or not. So i just called.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:34 PM
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AJo/s is either way. Some limp, some raise. Good arguments for both sides. As he's on the aggressive side (and with 11% has a reasonable, though relatively broad, pfr range) he'll likely raise AJo/s.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:44 PM
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I see. You are getting 9-to-1 on the turn here, maybe 10-to-1 with implied odds. So a turn call is fine I guess.

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I'm counting a little over 7.5-1BB immediate pot odds. 9-1BB if its capped.

Wookie, If capped, aren't we only counting 3 outs to the K on the turn? That would be about 15:1, and if the flop had been capped, we'd be getting 11:1 pot odds. Even with IO, wouldn't this be a -EV play?

Should we not be taking the WA/WB line from the turn (unless the flop was not capped, and we're checked to)?
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Old 01-21-2007, 04:07 PM
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AJo/s is either way. Some limp, some raise. Good arguments for both sides. As he's on the aggressive side (and with 11% has a reasonable, though relatively broad, pfr range) he'll likely raise AJo/s.

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The AF takes into account his post-flop aggression. His pf raising stats are somewhat standard aren't they?
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