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01-10-2007, 11:08 PM
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4th Street at the 40 Game
This hand came up in a live 40-80 game. It was folded to me in the cutoff and I opened with the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] looking at tight players in the blind. The player on the button, who plays many hands and goes too far with them, made it three bets. The blinds folded, I called and we took the flop headsup.
The dealer burned and spread a flop of 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I checked, my opponent bet and I called. What are your plans for a brick turn card? A random diamond? An offsuit picture card? Assume it would be unlikely for this opponent to lay down something like AK to a turn checkraise, but he MIGHT fold if he was sure he was beat (say, the turn came the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and you checkraised, he may fold QQ). I'm just looking for opinions on how people approach this hand against a loose player who won't often be moved off his hand except under certain circumstances (and possibly not even then). Would anyone prefer bet-three betting or check-raising the flop instead? If so, why? Thanks, Jeff 
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#3
01-10-2007, 11:13 PM
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Re: 4th Street at the 40 Game
Against this type of opponent I tend to play str8-forward, get your money in when you have the best of it, poker. I call on a non-yahtzee turn and chk/rz my yahtzee river. (or chk/fold if I miss)
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#4
01-10-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: 4th Street at the 40 Game
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Against this type of opponent I tend to play str8-forward, get your money in when you have the best of it, poker. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this except I'd c/r a diamond or I paired on the turn.
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#5
01-10-2007, 11:38 PM
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Re: 4th Street at the 40 Game
Before we can consider the idea of check/raising the flop, we first have to ask ourselves what specific hands are we trying to attack? The answer is King high & Queen high.(If the villain has Jack high he probaby has a straight draw so I didnt include this hand) Will the villain have K-high or Q-high often enough to make check/raising the flop attractive? I dont think so.
And since it has been established that this guy will not fold Ax to a turn check/raise, it looks like playing passively every street unless we hit is the only line here.
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#7
01-10-2007, 11:53 PM
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Re: 4th Street at the 40 Game
I think c/r'ing is probably best if he can fold sometimes... if it's an Ad and u c/r and he calls you can usually give up on the river i assume unless you hit against this guy.... and i assume if he calls a c/r you can pretty much open muck the river unless you hit....
if he 3bets something like AK on an A turn, which i doubt i wouldn't do it... but if he will then i would just c/c and fold u/i... i don't like c/r'ing this flop against someone like this cause they will see the turn with a whole lot of hands and raise if they hit and rarely fold to a 3bet.... bet/3-betting also opens you up to a 4bet in the cases he hit a monster... he could bet flop and slow down on the turn... and that may or may not set up a bluff on the river depending on your read... if he tends to take hands too far, he will be bluffing the turn as well with air alot of the time and you can get him to fold a lot of trashy hands which are also ahead of you... but if it's gonna take some patriot missiles to move him off of something like 55 or a 7 or A-high on most broadway turns then playing straightforward is probably best....
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#8
01-11-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: 4th Street at the 40 Game
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Before we can consider the idea of check/raising the flop, we first have to ask ourselves what specific hands are we trying to attack? The answer is King high & Queen high.(If the villain has Jack high he probaby has a straight draw so I didnt include this hand) Will the villain have K-high or Q-high often enough to make check/raising the flop attractive? I dont think so. And since it has been established that this guy will not fold Ax to a turn check/raise, it looks like playing passively every street unless we hit is the only line here. [/ QUOTE ] With a possible 14 outs against a lot of ace high hands I don't mind putting in money on the flop hoping to sometimes fold out a non-ace-high hand. I checkraise this flop all day. -DeathDonkey
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#9
01-12-2007, 07:45 AM
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Re: 4th Street at the 40 Game
Yea, I didn't really think this guy was the type to reraise without a hand like AQ, AK or a pair. Maybe AJ. I don't think he's three-balling with something like K8s, etc. But I see what you're saying. And by folding, you mean on the turn right? I don't see anyone laying down anything for one extra bet on the flop there. So I see the flop checkraise as more for value though it can set-up a fold on the turn sometimes if he reraised light. But I don't think he did necessarily. I hope that makes sense - I am very hung over and the screen is kinda blurry. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
P.S. See you in Vegas? Jeff
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