Ron Jaworski on Reggie Bush- Rookie of the Year

[SuperUberBob]

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I would take Bush going forward, but Vince Young is definitely the ROY.

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[Jack of Arcades]

Jaws likes his award winners to be on playoff teams, that could have an affect.

I will agree that Bush had a huge impact outside of his normal production. He's probably added about 100 yards to Deuce's totals on fake end around plays alone.

Marques Colston was ROY for the first half of the year.

Reggie Bush and VY are a tossup for the last half. It's too bad they sucked the first half of the season.

There are a lot of good candidates, but I can't see anyone other than Bush or VY winning.

Edit: VY won? That's what I get for not watching ESPN all day.

[MEbenhoe]

My ranking for ROY would go

1. Addai
2. MJD
3. Colston
4. VY
5. Bush

[capone0]

Why?

I'd put MJD over addai.

MJD:

5.7 YPC, 941 Yards, 13 TDs. 46 Catches, 9.5 YPC, 2 Tds 436 Yards.

VS

Addai:

1081 Yards, 7 Tds (of which 4 were in 1 game), 4.8 YPC (very good). 40 catches, 325 yards, 1 TD.

So total yards are very similar. TD #s favor MJD heavily.

[MEbenhoe]

Assani posted some stuff on MJD that you should read. Overall, Addai had a lot more to do with the Colts success than MJD had to do with the Jaguars success this year. MJD had a couple big games that make it look like he's comparable to Addai on the season, but he really was not as good.

MJD had over half his yards in 4 games this year, 2 of those being against the Colts awful rush D.

[J.R.]

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btw, I'm not trying to bash MJD at all, but here was a post on FBGs that I found interesting:

Here are his stats in Jags wins:

CODE
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| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |
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| 1 dal | 2 8 | 0 | 0 |
| 2 pit | 2 4 | 6 | 0 |
| 5 nyj | 13 59 | 0 | 2 |
| 8 phi | 21 77 | 20 | 0 |
| 9 ten | 8 56 | 29 | 0 |
| 11 nyg | 9 45 | 16 | 1 |
| 13 mia | 5 46 | 0 | 1 |
| 14 ind | 15 166 | 15 | 2 |


The first two wins he had nothing to do with. The Jets, he ran up stats in garbage time in a 41-0 game. He didn't score against Philly or Tennessee, and against the Titans, had just 5 yards in the first half, only getting playing time after they were up 20-0. Against the Giants he scored a 3-yard TD with the Jags up 16-10 late in the fourth; they would have won with a field goal. Against Miami, he had 8 yards going into the fourth quarter, and scored a TD when they were up 17-7.

In fact, in all their wins this year, Jones never scored a TD when they were behind, and only scored a TD when they were tied once (in the Indy game, at 0-0). You can legitimately give MJD credit for Jacksonville winning the Indy game, but most of his stats were racked up in losses, or in garbage time in wins. Certainly you can't credit him with winning even as many as three games.

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MJD was also 3rd in the league in Kickoff yards/return and fumbled only once in 166 carries, 46 catches, 31 kickoff returns and 1 punt return.

His running DOVA was also better than Addai's. MJD was initially the third down back with Taylor getting early series carries, so much of his production came in more important spots.

It feels odd that you seem to be punishing MJD because his team didn't win when he had his best games. I understand your point, but it seems unfair to discount his better games because the rest of his team played poorly.

It also bears mentioning that Jones' offensive achievements came on a team that had poor quarterback play. Both Leftwich and Garrard posted negative DOVAs and Gray threw only 22 passes. Addai was excellent as well in 2006 but he also played in a much more favorable offensive environment.

[gusmahler]

Jaws did a little segment on Bush earlier this year. He said that the defense is always accounting for Bush on every play because of their fear of him. So his presence (according to Jaws) not only helped Deuce have a great year, but also enabled Colston to get more open than he would have been without Bush.

I have no idea if the above analysis is true, but it is what Jaws was thinking at the midway point of the season.

[PITTM]

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I would take Bush going forward, but Marquis Colston is definitely the ROY.

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REFYP!

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Rather than blindly follow the stats I try to WATCH as much football as possible and analyze players that way.

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not to hijack another thread, but how do you think the FO guys get their stats?

[J.R.]

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Jaws did a little segment on Bush earlier this year. He said that the defense is always accounting for Bush on every play because of their fear of him. So his presence (according to Jaws) not only helped Deuce have a great year, but also enabled Colston to get more open than he would have been without Bush.

I have no idea if the above analysis is true, but it is what Jaws was thinking at the midway point of the season.

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But can't that reasoning be flipped to give less credit to guys who play on teams whose other skill players are so good as to force attention away from the player in question or to give extra credit to those whose other skill players were so poor as to force increased focus on the player in question.

Sorta like : Bush made guys on his team better. But Addai was made better by Peyton and two of the best receivers in the league. MJD was made worse by below par QBs and WRs.


I like VY as ROY over the RBs. I'm not saying one RB is clearly better than the others, but that it is closer amongst the running backs than many seem to think and involves a high degree of subjectivity.