25NL, Raising the OESD, then making it

PotatoStew · #1 01-02-2007, 01:21 AM

MP3 here is very loose passive preflop, around 52% VP$IP. Post flop he's somewhat aggressive at times.

BB is also pretty loose, and rather aggressive preflop (22% PFR).

Feedback on all streets is appreciated - particularly concerning my flop raise.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($21.55)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($25.90)
MP3 ($50.55)
CO ($9.80)
Hero ($31.05)
SB ($20.35)
BB ($18.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $1, UTG folds, MP3 calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $3.75, MP3 calls $3.75, Hero raises to $9, BB folds, MP3 calls $5.25.

Turn: ($25.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $21.05 (All-In)

_TKO_ · #2 01-02-2007, 01:24 AM

I would fold in both spots preflop. Your flop raise is hurting in terms of FE vs both players, and your "OESD" isn't quite what it seems (since many players will hold on to an A here, thereby crushing the low-end). I would probably fold the flop, but calling is certainly better than your raise here.

PotatoStew · #3 01-02-2007, 01:27 AM

Am I understanding you correctly that you would fold JQo preflop on the button after 2 limpers?

wingchunflush · #4 01-02-2007, 01:30 AM

I think pf your fine I dont play full ring though. I think calling on the flop is better than raising.

PotatoStew · #5 01-02-2007, 01:31 AM

Also, corrct me if I'm wrong, but a plain ace doesn't crush my low end draw - he'd be missing a queen. If a 9 comes, the only way I'm not good is if he has AQ.

Bowlboy · #6 01-02-2007, 01:32 AM

I think limping this on the button here is fine, but I dunno about calling that raise.

_TKO_ · #7 01-02-2007, 01:32 AM

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Also, corrct me if I'm wrong, but a plain ace doesn't crush my low end draw - he'd be missing a queen. If a 9 comes, the only way I'm not good is if he has AQ.

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My bad; I thought you were paired with the Q.

_TKO_ · #8 01-02-2007, 01:34 AM

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Am I understanding you correctly that you would fold JQo preflop on the button after 2 limpers?

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Seems like a reverse-domo hand to me, but I'm not sure the typical limping range in FR games, unless it's live, in which case limping range is any two.

PotatoStew · #9 01-02-2007, 01:36 AM

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I think limping this on the button here is fine, but I dunno about calling that raise.

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Normally I would think twice about it and might not do it. But as I said, the preflop raiser was about 22% PFR. Considering I had the button it seemed reasonable, but I could be wrong.

PotatoStew · #10 01-02-2007, 01:39 AM

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Am I understanding you correctly that you would fold JQo preflop on the button after 2 limpers?

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Seems like a reverse-domo hand to me, but I'm not sure the typical limping range in FR games, unless it's live, in which case limping range is any two.

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Well, again, these two were pretty loose PF - 52%, and the other guy wasn't too much tighter. Of course, to be honest, I probably still would have limped even if they were quite a bit tighter. Maybe that's too sketchy, I don't know.