A lesson in kickers

[jay_shark]

nycballer stfu .

Read the whole discussion before you criticize my posts . All I wanted to do with this thread was to locate the median of a poker hand .

I'm experienced enough to know better in that nl is a very complex game and you cannot just simply add your kickers to get your exact hand strength . On the other hand I think it can approximate the worth of your hands when you compare it with others .

Let me also say that there are times when it can be correct to raise with 6-4 offsuit if you think you can win the blinds uncontested . That's fine , but that doesn't preclude you from winning the blinds with something like ace 6 .

[nycballer]

calm down all i did was correct the bad advice

[LooseCaller]

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A2, a hand with a value of 16 in your system, is monumentally stronger than KQ, a hand with a value of 25. Defend.

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I didn't really read his post so i'm not going to defend his "system" but to say that A2 is monumentally stronger than KQ is wrong.

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It's custom to read a thread you're going to take part in.

438,349,824 games 0.579 secs 757,080,870 games/sec

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 57.5450 % 57.28% 00.27% { A2s, A2o }
Hand 2: 42.4550 % 42.19% 00.27% { KQs, KQo }

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Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc 6d 862035 50.34 839913 49.05 10356 0.60 0.506
Js Ts 839913 49.05 862035 50.34 10356 0.60 0.494

clearly K6o is a better hand.

you cant directly compare hands like that. the point op is making can be clearly demonstrated by the fact that in contested pots, where kicker matters, A2 is very often going to lose you bets to better aces and KQ will often win you bets against worse kings. not to mention the fact that it can make nut straights (and more straights).

[jay_shark]

I'm not giving any fkn advice .

It was just something I wanted to do and that is it !!

You're the rookie in this forum , I think you should gtfo .

[nycballer]

wow i mustve hit a nerve. 10k HU freezeout? put your money where your mouth is

[bigredlemon]

I'm fully expecting Paxo to jump out and yell "Haha! Just kidding"

[cwar]

If you stated what your stack was then your idea might have more validity but as you did state it its not very useful, for example:

Suppose you are playing a 10 handed game and have the choice between AA UTG or 76s OTB. The size of your effective stacks sizes determines which hand is more valuable therefore your system is uesless. Lol @ P5 strat.

[David Ottosen]

The value of many hands in headsup play (speaking about fixed limit, which paxo seems to be, rather than NL which many of you appear to be - none of my comments apply to NL) is not how comfortable you feel when you hit your hand, but how your hand plays when both people miss, which will be a fairly high percentage of the time. In such situations, ace high plays much much better than king high.

Further, in a fixed limit game, KQ is more likely to play badly when both players hit; in fixed limit, KQ is likely to pay off all streets on an AKxxx or AQxxx board, more so than A2 is likely to pay off on a K2xxx or Q2xxx board.

[cwar]

First, I dont think anyone was talking about limit.
Second, your first point is valid but not as much in NL as showdown value is much less important.

Finally that is straight up wrong as the stronger 2nd pairs that KQ makes (with the Q) more than compensates by the times it catches a pair under a pair of aces, furthmore you will be less likely to pay off more bets when dominated by a higher pair on board then when you are dominated by a higher kicker in the case of A2.

[Thisbetom]

Can someone use this logic to disprove gravity?