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#11
12-19-2006, 07:59 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
Grunch.
Raise preflop! MP2 is no position where you should open limp and AT is no hand that you should open limp. Flop and turn are good, on the river I might consider folding the 3rd nuts. 
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#12
12-19-2006, 08:02 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
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Also, not sure of the exact definition of cold calling. [/ QUOTE ] Calling cold means to call more than one bet without having put in money already on this street. By this definition, the blinds can never coldcall preflop.
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#13
12-19-2006, 08:06 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
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I see a lot of you advocating a raise with ATo if you're opening in MP. is it really profitable for you guys that way? [/ QUOTE ] I can't think of many (any) hands I would open limp with from MP2. Basically open limping invites good aggressive players behind to crush you. From MP2 (some would say MP1) any hand that's still playable with noone already in is worth a raise. Limping is particularly bad with a fundamental TP hand like an offsuit A. [ QUOTE ] My ATo usually either misses entirely or forces me to make difficult decisions. [/ QUOTE ] Most decisions get easier when you raise preflop. This limits the number of people you're up against and therefore increses the likelihood that A high still is the best hand.
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#14
12-19-2006, 08:09 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
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turned out he had A2, Ace of hearts tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . what does this information mean? he is loose aggressive? [/ QUOTE ] A2o or A2s? If he had A2o then his flop play surely was way too aggressive. With A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I like his play.
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#16
12-19-2006, 11:25 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
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I didnt really have any reads on the guy. turned out he had A2, Ace of hearts tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . what does this information mean? he is loose aggressive? Do i want to be in pots with him , and calling him down all the time? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure how loose you can determine he is from this hand since he did get a free look at the flop. If you can play some pots with this guy, it wouldn't be bad since it looks like he'll overplay hands and pay you off well if you hit.
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#17
12-19-2006, 11:37 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
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thanks for all the responses. I didnt really have any reads on the guy. turned out he had A2, Ace of hearts tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . what does this information mean? he is loose aggressive? Do i want to be in pots with him , and calling him down all the time? Also, not sure of the exact definition of cold calling. Does it mean calling a raise if everyone else in between has folded? or just calling a raise even if other people have also called [/ QUOTE ] If you had raised preflop, you might have gotten him to fold in the BB, or at least make a mistake by calling the raise with a weak hand out of position.
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#18
12-19-2006, 11:53 AM
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Re: drowned in the river again
Grunch.
PF: This is either a raise or fold. You don't want multiway action w/ this hand so limping is not preferable. Encourage the blinds to fold. I like the next two streets. River: call. Villain may still think his two pair is good. We're probably beaten though.
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#19
12-19-2006, 12:00 PM
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Re: drowned in the river again
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thanks for all the responses. I didnt really have any reads on the guy. turned out he had A2, Ace of hearts tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . what does this information mean? he is loose aggressive? Do i want to be in pots with him , and calling him down all the time? Also, not sure of the exact definition of cold calling. Does it mean calling a raise if everyone else in between has folded? or just calling a raise even if other people have also called [/ QUOTE ] You certainly want to be in a pot w/ someone who will 3-bet a weak hand like A2. We don't really know if he is LOOSE aggressive. That was his BB so he didn't volunteer any $$ preflop to play it. It's quite possible that your limp play w/ that hand convince BB that you didn't have an ace as most players would be open raising your hand. It could even be a possible TAG in that case. This hand alone doesn't tell us enough about his style. If you see him make more plays like this with weak hands that he chooses to see the flop with, then you read becomes strengthened. Coldcall: Calling more than one bet when it's your turn to act. If matters not if others are even in the hand. As a side note. One of the mistakes bad players often make is that they cold call too much. Miller or Sklansky wrote somewhere that you might only really do it once a session if you're playing correctly.
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