drowned in the river again

neeeel · #1 12-18-2006, 10:29 PM

Party Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes.

Flop: (4.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.

River: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB.

my thoughts on this were that since there was no action preflop, he probably had Ax, or Qx. Since i had a decent kicker, i had a good chance of winning.
My reraise on the flop was maybe wrong, giving an opponent better pot odds for a flush draw? although pot odds seem good for a draw anyway.
I felt i had to call on the turn as i still felt the most likely hand for him was Ax or Qx. Maybe i should have folded right there, since how could my hand improve? if he had a good chance of having an A or Q, then there was a 50% chance of him having Ah or Qh, so a flush would be no good to me

shadow. · #2 12-18-2006, 10:38 PM

looks good.

lstephen666 · #3 12-18-2006, 10:50 PM

I think ATo is good enough for a raise here. You really don't want to play multiway with this hand, and just getting the blinds is not a bad thing here. It also gives you a bit more info on the callers hands.

The flop raise is good, but I'm not sure on your thinking.

Raising gives your opponents much worse pot odds. If you just call they will be getting 6:1. With a raise you're making their odds 7:2.

Really, all I would be worried about on the flop is Q9, A9 or maybe 99. Hard to put BB on a hand as he had free play before the flop.

So, I think the flop raise is standard. When he 3-bets, I'm thinking two pair and that we are probably drawing. Any read on BB? Would he be this aggressive with A6-A2?.

The turn call really depends on the read as well. Taking a WA/WB approach and calling down isn't bad if he's capable of doing this with any Ace or just a Queen. If he hasn't gotten out of line I think the turn is the best place to fold, especially as the flush came in also.

Having button behind you makes me lean towards a fold also. His flop action really looked like a flush draw to me.

Once at the river, I call also. You have the 3rd nut flush (he can't have the Qh it's on the board).

bbbushu · #4 12-18-2006, 10:50 PM

should we raise pre-flop?

i think so.

shadow. · #5 12-18-2006, 10:52 PM

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should we raise pre-flop?

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oh yeah. missed that. post is good though.

Christian_Peters · #6 12-18-2006, 10:59 PM

PF is a little loose, but whatever. Rest looks good. Did you have any reads on villain (i.e. aggression?) You don't seem to be giving him much credit for going insane on the flop. I tend to think: 1. he has a set of 99's, in which case your flush is good, 2. he has A9, in which case your flush may be good, 3. he has Axs (TP + FD)

NIX · #7 12-18-2006, 11:28 PM

I raise preflop and play it the same postflop.

Your reasoning sounds good too except for:
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My reraise on the flop was maybe wrong, giving an opponent better pot odds for a flush draw? although pot odds seem good for a draw anyway.

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If you just call the BB's bet, the button and SB are getting 6:1 to call which is fine for the flush. By raising, the button and SB are now getting 7:2 which isn't quite enough to draw to the flush on just the turn (although implied odds will cover the difference). You've definitely made it less profitable.

BionicComma · #8 12-19-2006, 01:38 AM

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should we raise pre-flop?

i think so.

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oh yeah. missed that. post is good though.

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I see a lot of you advocating a raise with ATo if you're opening in MP. is it really profitable for you guys that way? My ATo usually either misses entirely or forces me to make difficult decisions.

bennyhana · #9 12-19-2006, 01:45 AM

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should we raise pre-flop?

i think so.

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oh yeah. missed that. post is good though.

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I see a lot of you advocating a raise with ATo if you're opening in MP. is it really profitable for you guys that way? My ATo usually either misses entirely or forces me to make difficult decisions.

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limping after 3 folds is generally frowned upon. if your hand isn't good enough to raise, you shouldn't be playing it.

If youare at a table full of cold callers, you would be best to fold it, but at a tighter table, or a table where you have good reads, it can play well.

neeeel · #10 12-19-2006, 07:55 AM

thanks for all the responses.

I didnt really have any reads on the guy. turned out he had A2, Ace of hearts tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . what does this information mean? he is loose aggressive? Do i want to be in pots with him , and calling him down all the time?

Also, not sure of the exact definition of cold calling. Does it mean calling a raise if everyone else in between has folded? or just calling a raise even if other people have also called