400 PL0 8 Deep

[Habib Marwan]

Villain in this hand is terribly aggro, and gives way to much action, even when drawing only one way. comments on all streets appreciated

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $762.75
Hero: $760.30
SB: $150
BB: $252.30

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $12</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $111.1</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $369.4</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($776.8, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $381.35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???

[bbartlog]

I might have put in the final rereraise on the flop and gone all-in.

Calling the turn... well, if he's super aggro I'm certainly more inclined to call. Can we estimate the odds of him having A2xx based on his pfr?
My own thinking on the flush is that he would make this move with the ace of clubs regardless of whether it was actually suited or not, so figure about 50% that you're actually beat by a higher flush. That gives you about 25% pot equity on the high side while the low draw gives you about 25% on the low side.. even discounting both of them a bit for redraws to a possible set and/or the chance of him having A2xx, I think you have more than the 33% or so that you need to call here. I don't like it because I think I'm behind, but not enough to fold.
Another question is how smart your opponent is. He may reason that your failure to push on the flop is a sign of weakness (that you don't have the nut/nut draws) and be pressuring you on that basis. If I think he would reason this way I'd be even more inclined to call.

[neverforgetlol]

i would either shove on the flop 4bet or fold right there.

[Split Suit]

i like the b4b ai on the flop. as played, fold the turn unless uve seen him do this kinda stuff with naked A2s and 2prs. im only inclined to fold cuz he did b3b OOP, and then donks on the club. just my 2cents tho

[odomination]

Thats a pretty big fold on the turn given the flop action IMO. I like the reraise all in on the flop and as played I like a turn call.

[franknagaijr]

If you assigned turn possibilities

Has better flush - 60%
Has A2 - 40%

Your total pot equity on the turn is $768 for $378. Sounds reasonable if the assumptions are correct. I can only imagine that folding here would be putting a target on your back.

Going back to the flop, with a weak flush, lock low draw, and a handful of runner-runners for the high, I can't condone the reraise followed by the flat call. The flat call says 'I was really hoping you were going to fold to my reraise, and I don't have a made hand.', which coincidentally, is exactly where you happened to be.

What does anybody think of a flat call to the initial 25$ pot bet on the flop, and if so, what would be the appropriate way to play that turn?


CALC
High 40% *1142 = $457
Low Alone - 15/45 * .6 * 1142 = $234
Low Split - 15/45 * .4 * 571 = $78

[Shabamabam]

I 4-bet all-in on flop.

edit; I think Turn is a call too. If he has QQxx, he has to push turn still imo.

[Phil153]

This thread, and the OP, are priceless.

[jlacks]

As played against this villian this should be a pretty easy turn call. You are getting a little better than 3:1, so how often would you need the best high hand to be getting the proper odds? Let's make some simplifying assumtions on opponents hand. I will say there are 4 possibilties:

1) Opponent has higher flush but no low draw.
2) Opponent has higher flush and A2.
3) Oppenent doesn't have higher flush and no lo draw.
4) Opponent doesn't have higher but has A2.

It cases 3 and 4 opponent could still have outs with a set or 2 pair, so I will give him top 2. Your pot equities:

1) 25%
2) 14.4%
3) 90%
4) 80%

Given these equities and the fact that you still have the right odds in case #1, this is a call against all but the tightest of oppenents.

The only decisions that are tough in this hand are on the flop. IMO get it all in here against this opponent.

[Habib Marwan]

i obviously called turn. i was wondering what to do on flop. villain showed Ad As Jc 9c, and scooped me when a Q came on river