Negraneau at TOC "Too many coolers." WTF??? - Page 3

GoAheadRiverMe · #21 12-04-2006, 02:29 AM

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lots of armchair qb's on this thread.

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I was just thinking the same thing.

nath · #22 12-04-2006, 02:47 AM

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lots of armchair qb's on this thread.

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I was just thinking the same thing.

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duh, it's the TV poker forum, of COURSE there are lots of armchair QBs in the thread

Jeff76 · #23 12-04-2006, 12:07 PM

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Hand 1- DN has JdQd. Sexton has KQ. Flop K84 2 diamonds. they end up all in.
Hand 2- DN has JQ. Sexton has AA. Flop T84. All-in again.

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Jeff76 · #24 12-04-2006, 12:18 PM

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anyone see after the tunica event Dn won when norman chad asked him if that win meant he was once again one of the top players in the world (dumbazz question to begin with)...DN was like, "well when wasn't I one?"

I'm not gonna judge the guy on his play haven't seen enough of him, but that comment whether it is true or not just reeked of arrogance IMHO.

[/ QUOTE ]He IS one of the best and he knows it. He could try the false humility thing, but for a guy who pretty much wears his heart on his sleeve about everything it wouldn't fool anyone.

I can see why people wouldn't like him, but at the end of the day he really treats this thing like a game and something he does to have fun. And if people hate that, I guess he wins anyway because he's having a good time no matter what anyone thinks. I'd rather watch and play with someone like DN who tries to have a good time than the super-serious players who never say a word except to berate other players for their poor play.

Eponymous · #25 12-04-2006, 08:25 PM

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I'd rather watch and play with someone like DN who tries to have a good time than the super-serious players who never say a word except to berate other players for their poor play.

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I appreciate Daniel much more than those who berate players for their poor play, but I'd much rather watch and play with Ivey, Barry, Chip, Doyle, etc., than either of the above.

Jeff76 · #26 12-05-2006, 12:11 PM

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I appreciate Daniel much more than those who berate players for their poor play, but I'd much rather watch and play with Ivey, Barry, Chip, Doyle, etc., than either of the above.

[/ QUOTE ]This is probably a different strokes for different folks kind of thing, but for me poker is best when it's a social game. I really enjoy the games where I can chat with other people and have a good time. I'm guessing a LOT of poker players (especially losing ones) are like this, and that is probably one of the reasons DN is so popular.

Shandrax · #27 12-05-2006, 12:41 PM

What I find annoying about DN is this "good natured" thing. He is making jokes to see how his opponents react to it. That's not "good natured", that's some form of angle shooting, because he does it intentionally. He is not really a funny guy, he just wants to extract tells from you.

Kimbell175113 · #28 12-05-2006, 04:41 PM

I think it's more like DN is naturally talkative, and he has found a way to make it +EV. That's no different from Sklansky taking his natural mathematical abilities and using them for whatever he wants, is it? Of course he's trying to win, and I can't believe any poker player would find something ignoble about that.

Jeff76 · #29 12-05-2006, 05:46 PM

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That's not "good natured", that's some form of angle shooting, because he does it intentionally. He is not really a funny guy, he just wants to extract tells from you.

[/ QUOTE ]Trying to induce tells is angle shooting? Is trying to hide tell angle shooting as well? That's all a part of the game.

But DN is totally conistent in his demeanor at the table and off. He isn't hamming it up just to get some tells, though he probably is using his natural tendencies to do that. Also, I'll bet in many ways he uses his "good nature" to get people off their guard so he can take their chips. Nothing new about that either- in fact I can recall a couple 2+2 books where the authors strongly advise not taking actions that will clue your opponents in to the fact that you are "thinking about the game". You'd rather them think it's a social outing for you, just like it is for them. I think DN has this same affect on people.

I chat it up all the time with donks at tables. Shoot the breeze about whatever they want to talk about. It's fun, keeps the game more interesting, and it puts them off guard as to the way I think about the game. None of that is angle shooting in the least.

grdred944 · #30 12-06-2006, 02:30 PM

I agree that this is not angle shooting for sure. I think DN is a combination of smart and irritating. He does know what to say to some of these players with stars in their eyes. More often than not he does get information.

But he is irritating when the cameras and lights are on and he feels compelled to talk us through a hand time after time. It never fails that no matter what hand someone shows, Danny has to proclaim, "I thought you had that."

Now, as an aside, the best pro at using his table talk to influence others is Marcel Luske. I have witnessed him hypnotize star-struck players into doing what he wants them to do, just through charisma. It is something to see.