50/100 big big pot - Page 4

stinkypete · #31 11-30-2006, 12:05 PM

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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how often are you drawing dead preflop?

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How often is a hand -EV even if you could play it for free?

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almost never. unless you really, really suck at poker.

TheWorstPlayer · #32 11-30-2006, 12:23 PM

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sometimes i get mad after the hand and go play $500 a hand blackjack. should i factor that in?

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Obviously. If the call is going to increase the chance of you losing $500 at BJ, then that is still money coming out of your pocket and should be factored into the EV calc. This is all about optimizing wealth. Who cares how unrelated the factors might be? Your bank account doesn't know whether you lost the money on a river call or on a hand of BJ.

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you're wrong.

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No, I'm not. Are you suggesting reverse implied odds shouldn't be factored into your EV calc?

Pepsquad · #33 11-30-2006, 01:13 PM

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough. Specifically, you are in the BB holding a bottom 5% hand with a UTG raise and SEVEN cold caller's?! 72o isn't a huge mistake here.

stinkypete · #34 11-30-2006, 01:30 PM

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough.

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

i'm not going to have the opportunity to cap 32o on a KQJ9 board after bluff-raising and getting 3-bet very often either. that still doesn't make it a very small mistake.

James282 · #35 11-30-2006, 04:16 PM

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough.

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

i'm not going to have the opportunity to cap 32o on a KQJ9 board after bluff-raising and getting 3-bet very often either. that still doesn't make it a very small mistake.

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pete, you are calling $50 with 700 already in the pot. You are a crazy person if you think you lose 30 cents on every dollar of immediate ev with 74o. You could easily play this profitably just by playing on with oesd, gutshot to the nuts(calling for 1 bet), 2 pair, or trips. Not to mention the additional ev you gain when you play well and can read hands well enough to play on in other scenarios. Losing 30 cents on a dollar of immediate ev preflop is almost impossible, even moreso getting 14:1.

James

tongni · #36 11-30-2006, 04:42 PM

I post in the CO a lot. Oftentimes I will post in the CO and pick up some trash like 47o. Almost always the hijack raises. I have a simple formula for determining if it correct to call.

1) Do I hate the person that just open raised?

If so, I call. If not, I fold. I'm not bust yet.

Edit: In the hand in question, there are 7 players. It is very likely that you hate one of them or will hate one of them in the session. You must call.

Pepsquad · #37 11-30-2006, 04:54 PM

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough.

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

i'm not going to have the opportunity to cap 32o on a KQJ9 board after bluff-raising and getting 3-bet very often either. that still doesn't make it a very small mistake.

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You make a valid, articulate argument. We'll just agree to disagree. I believe capping 32o on a KQJ9 board after...blah blah blah is a miniscule mistake compared to 3-betting medium PP's with two overcards on the flop. You'll get the chance to make the mistake in your scenario once a year maybe - when you are extremely intoxicated. But you get the chance to misplay medium PP's perhaps a dozen times per session.

stinkypete · #38 11-30-2006, 05:06 PM

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If so, I call. If not, I fold. I'm not bust yet.

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that's not what schneids tells me

schneids: tongni is BUSTO!
stinkypete: o rly?
schneids: yeah!!
schneids: hot off the presses!!
stinkypete: awesome!
schneids: (10:50:41) Mike Schneider: rumor has it you're busto
(10:50:55) Tongni: thats not a rumor
(10:50:56) Tongni: i just told you

Tuco · #39 11-30-2006, 05:07 PM

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

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So far you are the only one saying it's a mistake.

I call here in a heartbeat. 15-1 with huge implied gets me excited because im usually the one laying the price. Nice to have the positive side of a longshot every now and then.

Tuco.

stinkypete · #40 11-30-2006, 05:10 PM

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You make a valid, articulate argument. We'll just agree to disagree. I believe capping 32o on a KQJ9 board after...blah blah blah is a miniscule mistake compared to 3-betting medium PP's with two overcards on the flop. You'll get the chance to make the mistake in your scenario once a year maybe - when you are extremely intoxicated. But you get the chance to misplay medium PP's perhaps a dozen times per session.

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what you don't understand is that a mistake is not the same thing as a leak.