Ftp stole my money

[suzzer99]

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i vote 4 lock and ban unless OP divulges everything. he is totally concealing info and details, but is criticizing doug for not giving info that he shouldn't anyway for security and future monitoring purposes.

stfu for good or spill the beans eric

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No, he just doesn't remember one single detail of running $600 into $14k in a day. Perfectly reasonable.

[jlkrusty]

Ericjones:

It appears that you have two underlying motiviations:

1- To punish FTP (with bad publicity) because they caught you in fraud; and
2- To get more information on how you got caught so that you can be more successful in committing fraud in the future.

Quite frankly, you disgust me!

I will not give in to your manipulation. I will continue to give business to FTP. I am glad that FTP is constantly looking for fraud. It would worry me extensively if FTP did not always look for fraud.

FTP owes nothing further until you come clean with a full story of what happened. FTP has given you a pretty clear accusation, and you now need to give your defense. But, all you do is ask more questions, and give no information yourself. This is a technique you must have learned in fraudster school: namely, never give a story; that way you can never get nailed down on any lies! How clever! Enough of your bologna. Give a detailed story explanation of events on how you won 8k from one person, or go away! If you provide your own story of how this all came down, then I might support the idea that FTP should provide more information. However, until you do, FTP owes you nothing!

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Now the next part is to FTPDoug (ericjones, don't take any of this as me being on your side. I'm not. I think you're full of crap):

Doug, please see how most of us on your side. Most of us will continue to give FTP business--at least for now. Most of us want FTP to grow and thrive. However, to do this, FTP really needs to focus on better policies in their fraud department. Specifically, FTP needs to

1- Provide a timely statement to the person of what they are accused of doing. Said statement should come within three days, not two and a half months later. Plus, people should not have to come on 2+2 to get an answer. If requested, the accused should should automatically get a timely statement. This policy would not be to protect guilty people (like Ericjones appears to be). This policy would be to protect the unfortunate 1 or 2% that are wrongly suspected of fraud. But since you don't know who the 1 or 2% innocent people are, you have to give this right to everyone.

2- Allow those accused of fraud to provide a defense. Once you provide an accusation, the accused should at least give a counter story (which ericjones has refused to do so). If the accused gives a credible counter-story, then FTP should provide further information.

3- Provide a 24-hour customer service phone number.

If FTP wants to continue growing, its important that these things happen.

[sleech]

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The answer is yes, Full Tilt keeps the confiscated funds of credit card fraud cases. Note that in collusion cases, everything is meticulously retraced and the injured players are returned the funds they lost to the colluders .



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I don't recall reading a lot of posts about FTP or any other site for that matter refunding money to those that had been colluded against.

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Refund Proof

Hello XXXX,
Upon the conclusion of a recent investigation into a certain tournament,
we have determined that you were among the victims of two players who
were colluding against you by playing as a team.

It is our policy to reimburse the victims of such collusion incidents
for the funds that we calculate as owed to them. In this instance, we
have seized the winnings of the players involved and redistributed the
prize money for the tournament in question. We have determined that,
with this redistribution, you were to be refunded $54, which will be
placed in your account in the next 24-48 hours.

At this time, for various reasons, we are unable to advise you of the
names of the players or any other information regarding this case. We
thank you for your understanding in this regard and hope you will accept
the refunded money with our best wishes.

Here at Full Tilt, we investigate every concern over collusion at our
tables. The vigilance of our players is one of the strongest weapons we
have in our ongoing battle against collusion and cheating of any kind.
If you become suspicious of, any behavior, chat, or action at our
tables, please don't hesitate to contact us at
[email protected].

Thank you for playing at Full Tilt Poker, and if there's any other way
we can be of assistance, please let us know.


Regards,

Dave H
Fraud and Collusion Investigator
Full Tilt Poker Team

[swedeD]

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I want 1 thing other then hand historys, I want to know how a player who used fraudlent cards that dumped to me got $8000 onto the site.

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It's getting more and more obviuos that you are just trying to outplay 2+2 to get more attention and gain information about Fulltilts fraud routines and/or spread bad publicity about FullTilt. As soon as someone, you or anybody else, raise qestionmarks about FullTilts actions that gets responses from other posters, you just keep on repeating them to put more fuel to the fire.

How the hell can you ONLY want 1 more thing except the hand histories? And WHY is it so important for you to know how someone succeeded in getting $8000 onto the site?

I think you want Doug to explain that the guy (you?) who dumped $8000 from a fraudelent credit card only made a small deposit, but took a shot just like you at higher stakes and run good. When Doug tell us this, you can rant about WHY should anybody who is trying to steal from people FIRST play a lot, and what is the connection between that account and your account, an account that was registrated many days after the credit card theft. You want to know why your plan to disguise the criminal act didn't work. If this isn't true, please give me a better explanation of what actually happened and why it is so important for you to know how it is possible to dump $8000 from only one account.

[limitninja]

I don't play on Full Till because they banned me from there, here is a reason, I always used Neteller to deposit, one day my Neteller was maxed out, I deposited $ 600 with my debit card, I got 3 charges for 101, 504 and 605,I contacted Full tilt these emails were posted in the other full tilt stole 25k from me post, FT told me they had no clue what i was talking about and told me to contact me bank.
So I did and disputed the charges, now they sent me an email I am no longer welcomed there, because I disputed transactions (btw exactly what they told me to do)

[ginko]

Ive been colluded against on PokerStars twice, and I was notified and refunded my lost money.

[Sniper]

I actually have one more question for FTPDoug... Have the accounts that he lost money to on the 1st account been investigated as well?

[Gregg777]

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I agree with that 100 percent. My original point was that we, (meaning 2+2] don't need to see them.

If Greg wants to post them if he gets them, fine (but please get a hand converter). FTP should not ever do that because of the point Bob made about teaching cheaters, and for other players privacy.

Let's say hypothetically[sp.] that Greg is right. I still think the system works, albeit way too slowly and secretativly.

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I wouldn't post the hand histories, if FTP has reasons for keeping them private that's fine, but somebody who has been told:

"We have concrete proof of you chip dumping through your hand histories."

Should at least have the right to see them.

Also, if you notice in my earlier posts, I didn't say FTPDoug "had" to show them, I simply asked that he at least give a reason why he doesn't.

[OneBigRed]

Is'nt the OP asking for all the proof kind of like getting caught cheating on a B&M casino, and demanding to know who are their eyes on the floor and where are all the cameras?

[Gregg777]

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Is'nt the OP asking for all the proof kind of like getting caught cheating on a B&M casino, and demanding to know who are their eyes on the floor and where are all the cameras?

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To use your example, he is told by the B&M that they have "caught him on tape" cheating.

And all he is asking for is to see the tape.

"If you have me on tape fine, let me see it."

A reasonable request.

(I am only referring to the hand histories.)