Pocket 2s fang pre-flop 3-bet

[Pokey]

To me this is a call. Why?

1. You're paying $4 to see a flop. If you could stack one opponent, you'd be getting over $60 out of the deal. Those are some tasty implied odds.

2. You have two opponents with decent hands. The odds that you'll stack someone if you hit are markedly higher than usual.

3. You have the best postflop position. This gives you the ability to best control the pot size postflop, so that if you DO miracle up a deuce, you have an unusually high chance of stacking at least one of these goombahs.

4. If this hand turns out to be funky (like pair v. pair v. pair), you'll have a rather decent chance of stealing the pot on an ace-high flop.

I agree that a four-bet by SB would be most unpleasant, and would chase me away; however, the odds that SB four-bets is pretty small since most opponents almost never four-bet. If SB makes a decent four-bet, you can fold; that's just the cost of doing business in a high-variance hand. Still, this is a dream hand for playing stack-a-donk, and I'm looking to get it all-in if I flop a deuce. NOTE: I'm also looking to fold if I DON'T flop a deuce (unless it looks very likely that I could steal the pot).

In the future, consider raising preflop in this situation when it gets around to you the first time. Doing so buys you the button, disguises your hand, and buys you all sorts of folding equity on a flop that would otherwise be scary for you. It also better defines your opponents' hands. With several limpers, or without good position, I don't mind overlimping with a tiny pocket pair; with good position and only one limper, I prefer playing it hard.

[theblitz]

I thought about it for a bit and then decided to fold.
Of course a 2 then flopped and I would have stacked both of them. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I'm not sure why I didn't raise first time round.

[ronitonline]

Fold.

[iraise50]

Fold, I call 5 bb or so with pocket anything, but not going to the matresses with only ducks, anything is an overcard.

[Keyser.]

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Plus, the SB raises from the SB which means a stronger hand in general.

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This is the reason why you should call. SB still has a relatively wide range (meaning he's not 4-betting very often at all), but BB almost always has a monster and you really want to see this flop 3-handed. If there's a reason to fold it's purely b/c you're not closing the action, although the first raiser still has a wide enough range that after get re-raised he's not 4-betting very many hands.

Don't look at is as "I have 22 I'm surely beat." Look at it like you have really good implied odds. Fold AQ/AJ, pretty much any other non-pair, and fold 22 if the raise was to 7 or 8+, but the effective stack of the SB (and BB) is plenty big for you to call.

[Dave I]

It's got to be close. Most of the time we miss, we don't always get the stacks when we hit, sometimes we hit and lose, and sometimes SB 4-bets. If anything swings it to a call, it's probably our good position.

[matrix]

call all day - fold if we don't see the flop for $4.5

but don't fold we have implied odds here going through the roof could possibly triple through if we catch a set (say they have AK each and an Ace flops or one has AA one has KK)

BB surely has a monster pair and we're at least taking him to valuetown if we hit.

we gotta make $45 to break even on this call - there is $129 we could be playing for and if we call and SB calls there's only another $30 to make up the rest is profit.

If we can't get $30 out of both these guys between them when we flop a set here something is very wrong.