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11-06-2006, 12:12 PM
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$10PLO, top set and 3rd flush, big pot
Hey there. Just getting used to PLO and had a tough hand last night.
Sorry for the lack of hand history, I'm at work and this is bugging me... stacks and bet sizes are rough estimates from memory. $10 PLO 6-max on Full Tilt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG and I are both big stacks at the table with around $20 each. He's got me barely covered. He was big stack when I sat down and has stayed pretty quiet through a few orbits. UTG bets pot for $0.35, folded to me in LP. I repot for $1.20, folded to UTG who calls. (pot = $2.55) Flop is K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG checks, I bet pot for $2.55, UTG calls. (pot = $7.65) Turn is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG checks, I bet 1/2 pot for $3.80, UTG bets pot, leaving me to call ~$13 more into a ~$28 pot. This looks a lot like nut flush to me, and I've got one of my boat draws in hand. Is this a good laydown, easy call, or somewhere in between? Also feel free to flame me on all other streets. I'm not thrilled about my decisions preflop or leading the turn. Thanks, and I look forward to a heavy learning curve on this forum. 
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#3
11-06-2006, 01:13 PM
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Re: $10PLO, top set and 3rd flush, big pot
You played the hand fine. I like your line actually, KKJT is a great hand so 3bet is fine, flop plays itself, and the turn is a bet/fold unless you have seen him get out of line or he is over agro, from the sound of it he isn't. He isn't raising you like this with a 9 high flush or worse. You have only have 9 outs to fill up.
Unless you think that he is full often **** enough to make up for you only being 5:1 to make full house you should fold here. If you only had 100BB ($10), then you wouldn't fold here odviously as you would only have to put in like 2.50 more.
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#4
11-06-2006, 01:33 PM
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Re: $10PLO, top set and 3rd flush, big pot
I did fold. And thanks for the help. This game is fun.
Since it seems that in these big pots, when you basically need the nuts, and the nuts changes on every street, even playing a solid game makes you feel like an action junkie. In this pot I went from 2nd nuts, KK preflop, to top nuts with a set of kings, to third nuts, J-flush... I also like the pot-limit betting since it seems, at least so far, that it's easier to leverage your hand to create big pots or keep them small, especially in position, and especially in loose-passive games. I've read the Omaha sections of SS2 and Stewart & Reuben's Pot-Limit and No-Limit, and just ordered Slotboom's and Ciaffone's Omaha books. It's like I'm back in school again.
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11-06-2006, 02:02 PM
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Re: $10PLO, top set and 3rd flush, big pot
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u should have never considered folding this hand... [/ QUOTE ] If you make this call playing deep money then you're going to leave alot of money on the table Yeah you played this fine . As haz31 said if the money was more shallow you'd still get it in on this turn
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#8
11-06-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: $10PLO, top set and 3rd flush, big pot
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[ QUOTE ] u should have never considered folding this hand... [/ QUOTE ] If you make this call playing deep money then you're going to leave alot of money on the table Yeah you played this fine . As haz31 said if the money was more shallow you'd still get it in on this turn [/ QUOTE ] I agree that if I were much shorter I'd be in for sure, and happy to be with my redraws. A quick calculation says (assuming I'm beat at this point) I'd need to have no more than $4.66 behind to call profitably to my boat. I'd probably go up to around $6 in practice given the remote chance I am ahead here, and I wouldn't want to advertise that I could fold easily to a scare card after being such an aggressor.
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#9
11-06-2006, 02:39 PM
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Re: $10PLO, top set and 3rd flush, big pot
Whoa. Shouldn't we be checking behind on the turn as a general default play here?
After all, what is UTG calling us with on the flop? It is either a straight draw, lower set, or a flush draw (or bare aces or weak two pair if really bad ). On the turn the nut flush draw got there, but we have the straight draw drawing dead and lower set drawing essentially dead. If we check behind on the turn, we re-evaluate the river. Bet-raise if the board pairs. Decide whether or not to call if not. UTG could have a decent wrap with a lower flush and may value bet that on the river. We also could snap off a bluff. If UTG is really tight, I would check fold a nonpairing river. As played, definitely fold turn barring a read of UTG as a tilting action monkey junkie or YOUR image is very laggy and someone may reraise you very, very lightly.
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