Crypto $50 MTT, down to 49 players from 131

Vinyl Richie · #1 10-20-2006, 07:10 AM

I'd been moved to this table about 10 hands ago and have already seen villain reraise all-in preflop with J7s up against KK and hit a J7xx7 board to double-up.

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $100/$200
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4868.50
UTG+1: $3205
MP1: $2535
MP2: $2290
Hero: $4545
CO: $1975
Button: $5200
SB: $6050
BB: $2945

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($800, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $200, Hero raises to $1000, 2 folds, UTG raises all-in $4668.5, Hero ?

What do we think of the raise and how do we respond to the re-raise?

registrar · #2 10-20-2006, 07:18 AM

Villain either has a set of aces or he's pretending he does. You're beating nothing here except a bluff and he has to think you've got two pair or better.

FWIW, I just call his silly flop bet.

Imrahil · #3 10-20-2006, 08:22 AM

I think he has you beat. When someone bets weakly then pushs over a raise he has a good hand. Is he doing that with A6? Maybe, but I really don't think so. Fold and be happy you made a good laydown.

Vinyl Richie · #4 10-20-2006, 11:20 AM

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Villain either has a set of aces or he's pretending he does. You're beating nothing here except a bluff and he has to think you've got two pair or better.

FWIW, I just call his silly flop bet.

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So you're suggesting he slow-played aces preflop? That's some read based on a quarted pot bet followed by an all-in on the flop.

What about me being ahead to hands like AT which I would have thought was within his range?

Cheers

Vinyl

Sam T. · #5 10-20-2006, 11:22 AM

I'd raise a bit more, but I'll not get too excited about it. Yah, call. If he's on JT, hit one of your four outs.

registrar · #6 10-20-2006, 11:31 AM

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Villain either has a set of aces or he's pretending he does. You're beating nothing here except a bluff and he has to think you've got two pair or better.

FWIW, I just call his silly flop bet.

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So you're suggesting he slow-played aces preflop? That's some read based on a quarted pot bet followed by an all-in on the flop.

What about me being ahead to hands like AT which I would have thought was within his range?

Cheers

Vinyl

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It's in his range, yes. Hands like that and AJ and what else? KQ. AK. AQ. J10. QQ, KK, AA.

Granted, if this is the $50 at 10pm, then it possiby does have the highest fish to buyin ratio anywhere on the interweb but even here, he surely can'tbe expecting you to fold anything you've just raised?

mornelth · #7 10-20-2006, 11:35 AM

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I'd raise a bit more, but I'll not get too excited about it. Yah, call. If he's on JT, hit one of your four outs.

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mornelth · #8 10-20-2006, 11:36 AM

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Villain either has a set of aces or he's pretending he does. You're beating nothing here except a bluff and he has to think you've got two pair or better.

FWIW, I just call his silly flop bet.

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So you're suggesting he slow-played aces preflop? That's some read based on a quarted pot bet followed by an all-in on the flop.

What about me being ahead to hands like AT which I would have thought was within his range?

Cheers

Vinyl

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It's in his range, yes. Hands like that and AJ and what else? KQ. AK. AQ. J10. QQ, KK, AA.

Granted, if this is the $50 at 10pm, then it possiby does have the highest fish to buyin ratio anywhere on the interweb but even here, he surely can'tbe expecting you to fold anything you've just raised?

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I'd tink he would be raising MOST of those hands preflop, JT being an exception, perhaps.

Vinyl Richie · #9 10-20-2006, 11:47 AM

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I'd tink he would be raising MOST of those hands preflop, JT being an exception, perhaps.

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That was my thinking.

And of course I called and he had the JT.

And I didn't hit one of my 4 outs [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

But I'm still not convinced it's a certain fold, especially given the odd hand he played earlier.

registrar · #10 10-20-2006, 12:16 PM

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I'd tink he would be raising MOST of those hands preflop, JT being an exception, perhaps.

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You see a lot of big hands limp reraised on Crypto and it's probably a +EV play with ten minute levels, big antes and lots of fish promoting aggressive play.

The hand itself is worth a stove when he's min-pushed. This certainly will be total nonsense a certain % of the time, but on the whole we've got to see this as two pair or better at least 90%.

However, I'd suggest that I am the 2+2 exert of Crypto donkaments - my peers here wouldn't be seen dead in such low company - and I'm sure that just calling his tw*t bet on the flop is the way ahead in this hand. No to say that I don't do it this way and not to say that I haven't seen 77 when I have.