NL Holdem at the Muckleshoot?

[WayAbvPar]

I am almost positive Lil's doesn't.

[RadioMike]

Chips reportedly now has a new, bigger poker room, spreading up to $8-16. I Haven't been there since the change, but if it simply smells better it will be a huge upgrade.

One place that is definitely busier since the Tacoma Poker Ban of 2006 is Pt. Defiance in Ruston. Now they have games going every night, but still only 1-2 tables during the week. Thursdays are the big nights there - in fact, I'm headed out right now.

-mike

[bernie]

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Also, it would be a $1 drop not a $2. Only all the mini-casinos do that (like the drift-on-inn!)now

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Wow. That trend finally took over the north end too, huh? I'd hate to be trying to build a roll on lower limits with that.

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[thebeebster]

pretty sure parkers does. but that is the one i'm not sure of. when i said all, i meant all the north end.

hollywood, drift, goldies, moose and dragon all do. that i know.

[Red Stine]

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Hopefully? $2 Jackpot drop? In this whole thread there was not one post of outrage. Amazing.

Jackpots are for suckers plain and simple. They're a ripoff. They do nothing for the economy. The house rakes off X and it's a taxable event.

The only reason the Mucks spreads a 15-25 game is to legally get a jackpot drop, and the stupid players willingly go for it.

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Amazing how you talked right out of your ass in this response.

As Stabn noted, it's only $1. $2 JP drop is a rip, especially in the smaller games where it's common at smaller rooms. That's where the outrage should be.

After taking the $1 off the 20 game, it went dry. It's slowly coming back, but still not nearly what it was. JP drops draw players to the game. People don't travel to Washington to play poker. There isn't a constant recycling player pool like LA or Vegas. Give players as much incentive to play higher as possible, within reason. Yes, playing for the JP is for suckers. Newsflash: Those suckers are who you want in your game. There are many playing 10-20 that would play 20-40 if the JP drop was put back on. What was real funny was watching the idiots who helped vote the JP drop off the big game, playing in the smaller game....for the JP! Talk about hypocritical.

They also haven't spread a 15-25 game in months. Not even sure if they spread on in the summer. In fact, it's not even on the board as being offered right now. The reason they spread that game wasn't for 'legality' reasons, though it was because the max bet for a JP game was $25. Muckleshoot set that price, not the state. The mucks can add the drop to any game they want.

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Jackpot games are not a draw for high limit players. What happens in a case like the Mucks is that the jackpot is allowed to grow so large that it is skewing perceptions. All of the high limit players I know hate the jackpot games. Many stay away for that reason.

I'm willing to bet that you would get better value for your dollar by buying a lottery ticket that would pay millions if hit rather than paying 10 to 20 dollars a night for a shot at 100+K. How many people do you know go out and buy 20 lottery tickets a day? Yet people will sit in a poker game and pay $1 a pot for shot at their jackpot lottery.

What the Mucks needs to do is make the jackpot easier to hit and get rid of jackpots in the red chip games. They might keep in in the 10-20 but in the games higher than that dump the jackpot.

When the jackpot starts getting hit for five and ten thousand on a regular basis it will alleviate a lot of the pressure everyone is forced to endure because of ridiculously high jackpots.

[Supersetoy]

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I thought they couldn't do NL in WA because of some maximum bet rule that NL would exceed. At least that was my understanding as to why LaCenter doesn't offer it. That 10/20 LHE was the maximum they could have as to not exceed bet size rule. But LaCenter isn't an Indian Casino so ... . Sorry this is so off topic, I was curious. I didn't think there was any NL in WA? I drive up from Portland to play at LaCenter.

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Tribals can go to 500, non-tribals are capped at 25.

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I was playing $5/10 NL at Tulalip about a month ago. Capped buyin at $1K though...which was fine because people bougt in about 3-4 times...

[bernie]

Evidently, your opinion isn't based on experience at mucks.

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Jackpot games are not a draw for high limit players. What happens in a case like the Mucks is that the jackpot is allowed to grow so large that it is skewing perceptions. All of the high limit players I know hate the jackpot games. Many stay away for that reason.


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Personally, I don't mind if the high limit nits stay away. They obviously don't understand what that lil' extra $1 brings in terms of action. It more than pays for itself. Granted, that's alot more true for 20-40 and 30-60 than for the 50-100 game. The 50 game the JP might not help as much just because of the size of the limit.

Apparently, you didn't see what happened to the higher games at mucks when they took the JP off the higher games. I did. It sucked.

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I'm willing to bet that you would get better value for your dollar by buying a lottery ticket that would pay millions if hit rather than paying 10 to 20 dollars a night for a shot at 100+K.

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This isn't why I want the JP back on the game. I could care less about hitting the JP.


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What the Mucks needs to do is make the jackpot easier to hit and get rid of jackpots in the red chip games. They might keep in in the 10-20 but in the games higher than that dump the jackpot.

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ummm...they did take it away from the bigger games and it just about killed it. It's slowly came back, but not near to the level it was when they had the JP on.

No, they need to put it back on. And hopefully, since about 20+ signed a petition to get it back on, it will be put back on. It was supposed to happen in Sept. But then the mucks moves slower than government.

I agree that they should make the JP easier to hit, though. About when it hits around $25k is good. Always was good before.

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[ZPinhead]

I had heard talk last weekend at the Muck of these jackpot changes:

* Lowering BBJ requirements to aces full or some such
* Eliminating the Sunday drawing
* Changing the high hand jackpot to be every 2-4 hours instead of every 8 (and changing it to 'must be present to win')

[bernie]

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I had heard talk last weekend at the Muck of these jackpot changes:

* Lowering BBJ requirements to aces full or some such
* Eliminating the Sunday drawing
* Changing the high hand jackpot to be every 2-4 hours instead of every 8 (and changing it to 'must be present to win')

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This seems to change every week. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

I think the lowered JP qualifier will go. I've heard they were going to put another higher one on. Funny, that's why they did away with the super JP...

They eliminated the fullhouse drawings during the week. Which I think they should put back on. They took those off and the place isn't nearly as busy as it used to be. Apparrently, some were complaining because no one seemed to win those drawings. Though, those same peeps still showed up and played.

Nobody seems to really care about the high hand JPs. It's just really not that much money.

One reason I've heard is that they're trying to spread the money around as much as possible.

They should've just left alot of it the way it was. But then again, I guess things were running a bit too smoothly.

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[kyleb]

I was just there last night playing the 5-500 spread limit game. It was good, soft, and fairly shorthanded. A couple of tricky players, but easy to adjust to.

They say it's been running very regularly for the past 3 weeks, so it's worth taking a look.