Early all in push - What is their range?

[Nichomacheo]

Yeah. Its also affected if you bet and he raises you all in. Then you have some pot odds to consider too. I'm making a little Excel sheet to do it quickly. Will post when I'm done.

[Trouthunter]

Wow - I'm limping WAAAAAY too many hands preflop. I play $10, so maybe it's different than $20 and up, but it seems like almost everyone limps unless they have a really big hand. I would limp Q2 and fold to a raise. If he checked preflop then bet into me on the flop, I would be prepared to lay down anything but a queen. If the flop paired the queen, I would have to put some thought into it. If I could show it down cheap against this particular opponent, I would, if not, I would have to get away from TPNK.

I guess what I really need to do is sit down and work out my starting hands. I've been playing damn near anything - only throwing away the worst hands preflop, mostly because almost every opponent I've had will let me see the flop. If I hit any part of the flop and they show weakness, I bet into them. It's surprising how often that works.

Let me be clear that this is just my reasoning and nobody should give it much wieght. I suck. I'm working my ass off at getting better, but realistically, I have a long way to go.

[Winenose]

HoH and HoH2 are off in many places when it comes to real world and HU matches in particular. The odds stated there are for when all 5 board cards are out (unless specifically mentioned otherwise). In reality you only see the flop before your odds change because your opponent bets. Whole different kind of hand ranking chart appears if you consider 3 cards instead of 5. Drawing hands go down in value, pairs go up, etc..

There's some topics about this in Probability forum, a'la Suited Connector Probability Question.

Haven't found a good thorough study about it tho, nor do I have the time to do it myself.

[Raiseren1]

Q2 is an easy limp. Yes it has some reverse implied odds, but they can easily be decreased by the fatc that you have position, and should be a better player than your opinion. This is how I would play the QT6 flop. Call his flop. If he bets around 2/3 pot at turn I miniraise. If he push I fold. If he call I will check behind river If I do not improve. Folding here I think is a big mistake.

[Nichomacheo]

You're also not considering the big picture effect of playing Q2. You lose a lot of credibility later in the game, which is very important as the blinds increase. That is, if you even make it to Level III by playing Q2 preflop.

[MEJG2]

Well that depends on your strategy. Usually I have tried to lose credibility and before level 3 they have paid off one of my big hands that they should not have. My big hands tend to get paid off at the $20 level.

[Raiseren1]

I agree that I like a Tight and passive image more than a LAG image when the blinds rise. But it is not that important, and you should not try to avoid any EV+ descisions. Only the very marginal ones. Fx: limping 72o here is marginal +EV but folding is fine as well.

[MEJG2]

The reason I started this post was that I actually had AA on the hand in question and quickly called. The few times I have seen someone push this early, I have never had a hand to even consider calling with. It was only one result, but it initiated the question in my mind "what are they pushing with in these situations" as I still don't see any reason to push with 70 chips in the pot. I guess we should just be happy that they are willing to give us a shot at their chips!

SB: t1400
Hero: t1600

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB calls t10 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t30)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t1400</font>, Hero calls t1340 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1460)</font>.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2800, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2800)


Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2800, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2800)


River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2800, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2800)

SB: shows 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Deuces)

Results:
Final pot: t2800

[Trouthunter]

Holy crap - all in with dueces. Just to win an 80 chip pot. He must have been smoking some serious tiltweed to make that play.