live 10-25: very deep stack KK oop vs a lag

[flawless_victory]

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problem is i think he has a very wide range here, while my hand is pretty well-defined. once he puts in a flop raise, i have little doubt he's willing to play a 20k pot. i, on the other hand--well, i'm a wuss, so...not so much.


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then he wins.

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u drama queen, gimme a break.
u act like you will never have a hand bigger than a pair on 678ssx.
PLZ.

[BluffTHIS!]

But the principle that Ray Zee has hammered here over time, that one should play your hand in such a way that one doesn't lose the most when behind but little when ahead, is to me, best implemented by check/calling and letting NUB bet off a goodly amount of money with only top pair or top pair plus a straight draw, or a one pair plus a bad flush draw. This makes up for the times when he actually flopped a hand that beats hero, assuming hero sees a showdown.

And if you are not looking to fold the flop, then you might as well push over his bet or raise to punish him for a hand hero beats with hero hopefully having outs for the flush in case he is beat on the flop. But to me, that is putting too much money in on the flop compared to the pot size at that point with a non-nut hand.

[djoyce003]

I found this thread very interesting, and would love to hear the results.

[ezratei]

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HE HAS AN ELEPHANT!? mike if the guy really had an elephant, what was it doing during all this?

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When it's his turn to act, he puts the elephant to his ear and it tells him what to do.

PACHENGA!!!!!!!!!!!

[thabadguy]

Against this guy, i would very very happily put in my stack with black KK.
I like betting here, u bet, he raises to 1k, u call.
As long as the turn isnt a T or a 7 i CR allin.
He flopped a flush/set/straight...i got outs...
And i think he calls with a lot that you beat.
I think you lose wayyyyy too much value otherwise.

With such players you gotta stick it in there and be willing to gamble, waiting for a better spot is not on
Thats why playing against some1 who is willing to gamble is a very high variance game, and hence these guys get away with murder, because people dont want the [censored] variance that goes along with backing an overpair with 400bb's.

Such players prey on the fact that people are not comfortable backing a "marginal" hand with such a stack and hence will very willingly try and take the pot away from u.
Set the [censored] trap, bet, call raise...cr allin..he'll fall for it.

[neon]

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Against this guy, i would very very happily put in my stack with black KK.
I like betting here, u bet, he raises to 1k, u call.
As long as the turn isnt a T or a 7 i CR allin.
He flopped a flush/set/straight...i got outs...
And i think he calls with a lot that you beat.
I think you lose wayyyyy too much value otherwise.

With such players you gotta stick it in there and be willing to gamble, waiting for a better spot is not on
Thats why playing against some1 who is willing to gamble is a very high variance game, and hence these guys get away with murder, because people dont want the [censored] variance that goes along with backing an overpair with 400bb's.

Such players prey on the fact that people are not comfortable backing a "marginal" hand with such a stack and hence will very willingly try and take the pot away from u.
Set the [censored] trap, bet, call raise...cr allin..he'll fall for it.

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I tend to agree with TBG here. This guy sounds like the type of player against whom I don't mind playing a big pot with OP's hand on this board . . . probably looking to get a big CR in on a safe turn to get it all in . . .

[epdaws]

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I tend to agree with TBG here. This guy sounds like the type of player against whom I don't mind playing a big pot with OP's hand on this board . . . probably looking to get a big CR in on a safe turn to get it all in . . .

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What exactly is a "safe" turn? Here are the cards that are not "safe":

Non-spade aces.
Any T, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, or 4.

That's 28 cards that present trouble. There is very likely not going to be a safe turn, and that's the trouble that Hero faces. Calling is an ugly option for that reason, and so he's got to decide if he wants to play a 20k pot right here.

[El Diablo]

mike,

I like TBG's advice. If you're not going to do something like that, I think you should consider just calling preflop.

[mikech]

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Against this guy, i would very very happily put in my stack with black KK.
I like betting here, u bet, he raises to 1k, u call.
As long as the turn isnt a T or a 7 i CR allin.
He flopped a flush/set/straight...i got outs...
And i think he calls with a lot that you beat.
I think you lose wayyyyy too much value otherwise.

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hey tbg, i think bet/call, c/r all-in was exactly what i should've done.

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With such players you gotta stick it in there and be willing to gamble, waiting for a better spot is not on
Thats why playing against some1 who is willing to gamble is a very high variance game, and hence these guys get away with murder, because people dont want the [censored] variance that goes along with backing an overpair with 400bb's.

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you're totally right. i felt like a huge pussy after this hand, and i basically posted it so that you or others would tell me what a vag i was.