What Europen Court for Justice ruled about online gambling

[jt1]

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That's why we don't get defensive when someone critisizes American policy or even America herself.and we don't feel pride when America achieves any sort of victory.


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If you are right (and sadly I believe that in many ways you are), then this society has a grave problem.

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I don't expect Conservatives or Liberals to ever come to terms with their differences. Their world views and psychological makeups are just too different. For me as a pretty radical Liberal, pride is okay if it's seen as something to laugh and joke about. But dangerous, if it gets one indignant. All in all, it's a pretty useless and mostly counter-productive emotion, and no Conservative would ever agree with that.

[chezlaw]

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Economically though if there were to be tit for tat trade wars would eurpoe not lose out more and be the first to buckle?

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I'm not sure about who would buckle first but both sides would take it very seriously.

Remember the steel import duties that George W had to repeal linky

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I dont see gambling as being an issue that the EU will goto war with the US on

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I suspect that's right but who can fathom the EU? There's a lot of money that might be talking here.

chez

[UK_Player]

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This argument won't work in U.S. courts because U.S. courts are less willing to just make stuff up as they go. That's probably one reason why the EU keeps falling further and further behind economically and in the protection of personal freedoms.

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Either you're joking or you really are living up to the very worst stereotype of your country. The guy making the original post was trying to help out by pointing out how we do things in Europe.

The 'making stuff up as we go along' I assume your referring to is the law of precedent, where the ruling of a court affect how a similar case is dealt with in future. This allows for a flexible legal system that can change with the times and reflect the opinions of society.

Secondly, do you even know what the economic situation in Europe is? We are far from falling behind, especially in the UK where unemployment is much lower than the US and our currency is stronger.

As for personal freedom?!?!? How can you even say that when the very thing this whole section of the forum is about is your government taking away your personal freedom to gamble as you wish?! This would never happen in Europe, especially in the underhand manner in which Frist achieved it, by simply tacking it onto an important bill of a competely different nature.

Wake up Greg, Americans have a lot less personal freedom than Europeans, Australasians and many Asian countries. When you start to realise this, maybe you can do something about it.

[Auren]

I think USA has way more freedom with owning guns than any other country in the world. For any other freedom I wouldn't rank USA too high.

[UK_Player]

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I think USA has way more freedom with owning guns than any other country in the world. For any other freedom I wouldn't rank USA too high.

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I can't quite tell from what you've written but hopefully you agree with me that the availability of guns is a bad thing?

And what a crazy country where you can own the gun that can be used to slaughter innocent little Amish kids (to use a recent example) but you can't play a $5 poker tournament in your own home!

[Auren]

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I can't quite tell from what you've written but hopefully you agree with me that the availability of guns is a bad thing?

And what a crazy country where you can own the gun that can be used to slaughter innocent little Amish kids (to use a recent example) but you can't play a $5 poker tournament in your own home!

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Only things you approve should be allowed? Now you are very nearly arguing case of Mr. Frist. You deny freedom to own gun since you think it causes trouble. Mr. Frist denies freedom of online poker since he thinks it causes trouble. There is no difference.

And for reasons why guns should be allowed check national rifle association web page. I bet they can give dozens of good reasons which are very hard to argue against.

[elevationzero]

If Europeans fear an American monopoly on ignorance and pride it is only because they hold the patents.

I give you two world wars, countless genocides, communism, and fascism, as minor evidence, the worlds problems have roots well before the United States ever existed, and debates over national sovereignty, the common law and civil law are ranging far afield.
As poker players we are all in this together, no one person group or nation has an exclusive claim to ignorance, we are all equally guilty, it is the basic human condition, relieve yourselves of your bias, see one another as human beings, then perhaps we can understand one another.
To keep yelling American, European, right wing left wing blah blah blah is as usefull as chanting Fit or Fold everytime you see a flop.