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#61
10-03-2006, 12:29 AM
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Re: Neteller up. New Terms of Service
Guys,
Terms of Service agreements are routinely written along the lines of "You're our little bitch, and we can bend you over while eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwitch anytime we want to. By the way, your breath stinks." I also think I've heard (not 100% certain about this) that a ToS agreement is not necessarily binding on the end-user when it comes into conflict with other priniples of common law. Either way, this is nothing to get worked up about. 
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#62
10-03-2006, 12:39 AM
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Re: Neteller up. New Terms of Service
Cashed out of Party this morning with no problems, money was in Neteller in a few hours. I don't get any ToS when I log into Neteller (US). Any other Americans not get the new ToS?
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#63
10-03-2006, 12:51 AM
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Re: Neteller responds:
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Just talked to neteller VIP services. he was actually quite informed on all of this. He explained that the new wording was drafted before all this and is not based on the new law. He said that the new wording is to allow them to freeze the funds/accounts of suspected illegal actions like money-launderers and such. He also reminded me that neteller is a publicly traded company on the London Stock Exchange and all funds are kept in Trust accounts. He also sent me this link: http://content.neteller.com/content/...nessupdate.htm We're not going to have any problem with neteller. -Scott [/ QUOTE ] Well... To be honest, this whole thing sketches me the [censored] out. I felt some heat coming, and thankfully have cashed out all my funds from neteller, party, paradise, etc. I'm not accepting the new terms and conditions... I'm not even going to log into neteller anymore period and will just send emails to have the accounts closed. I was never really a big fan of live poker and loved bonuswhoring at lower limits (.50/1 and 1/2), but I guess I'm headed to the boats for my next game because I don't want to risk any problems. With Party's recent announcement of their course of action if (when) Bush signs this horrid bill (closing US accts) and now this from Neteller, I'm terribly suspicious. If Neteller did just happen to come up with these new Terms & Conditions around the time of other recent news, then they definitely made a poor PR move. I personally doubt the VIP's words and think there are other factors involved that he chose not to mention. Plus, I've been involved with extensive bonuswhoring since before I signed up on this forum and am afraid that my Neteller transaction history could be considered somewhat fraudulant from a personal perspective. Though I have been reading the posts for a long time and not really taken the time to respond to many posts, this whole issue is a red flag for me and I, regretfully, must step away from Online gambling for a long, long time. My intention is not to spook, but rather warn those out there who have been engaged in activity that could be considered fraudulant or such (you know who you are...) to be very careful as time goes on. On a side note, I suspect these major poker companies that are considering to close (Party) or already have closed(Pacific, Eurobet)US customer accounts are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or their respect for the US government - every business move is made with an incentive, and I'm afraid these companies' reasons for their actions are simply being kept unclear to US citizens. The optimistic message from the PPA concerning how different online poker is from other forms of gambling did not sway me too much... I hope all ends well, but this has gone far enough for me and ends officially today. Good luck to everyone.
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#64
10-03-2006, 02:28 AM
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Re: Neteller responds:
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Just talked to neteller VIP services. he was actually quite informed on all of this. He explained that the new wording was drafted before all this and is not based on the new law. He said that the new wording is to allow them to freeze the funds/accounts of suspected illegal actions like money-launderers and such. He also reminded me that neteller is a publicly traded company on the London Stock Exchange and all funds are kept in Trust accounts. He also sent me this link: http://content.neteller.com/content/...nessupdate.htm We're not going to have any problem with neteller. -Scott [/ QUOTE ] I do find it interesting/a bit troubling though that posters here from Europe have not had this thing pop up(I think one Australian said it popped up), making me question if he was telling the truth about it not being based on the new law. I trust Neteller personally, but am still cautious about this thing for some reason.
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#65
10-03-2006, 02:43 AM
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Re: Neteller up. New Terms of Service
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Use InstaCash to fund, get a check payout. [/ QUOTE ] Whats the interest on instacash? 8%? Are there any sites that will pay this for you?
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#67
10-03-2006, 03:27 AM
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Re: Neteller responds:
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Just talked to neteller VIP services. he was actually quite informed on all of this. He explained that the new wording was drafted before all this and is not based on the new law. He said that the new wording is to allow them to freeze the funds/accounts of suspected illegal actions like money-launderers and such. He also reminded me that neteller is a publicly traded company on the London Stock Exchange and all funds are kept in Trust accounts. He also sent me this link: http://content.neteller.com/content/...nessupdate.htm We're not going to have any problem with neteller. -Scott [/ QUOTE ] Well... To be honest, this whole thing sketches me the [censored] out. I felt some heat coming, and thankfully have cashed out all my funds from neteller, party, paradise, etc. I'm not accepting the new terms and conditions... I'm not even going to log into neteller anymore period and will just send emails to have the accounts closed. I was never really a big fan of live poker and loved bonuswhoring at lower limits (.50/1 and 1/2), but I guess I'm headed to the boats for my next game because I don't want to risk any problems. With Party's recent announcement of their course of action if (when) Bush signs this horrid bill (closing US accts) and now this from Neteller, I'm terribly suspicious. If Neteller did just happen to come up with these new Terms & Conditions around the time of other recent news, then they definitely made a poor PR move. I personally doubt the VIP's words and think there are other factors involved that he chose not to mention. Plus, I've been involved with extensive bonuswhoring since before I signed up on this forum and am afraid that my Neteller transaction history could be considered somewhat fraudulant from a personal perspective. Though I have been reading the posts for a long time and not really taken the time to respond to many posts, this whole issue is a red flag for me and I, regretfully, must step away from Online gambling for a long, long time. My intention is not to spook, but rather warn those out there who have been engaged in activity that could be considered fraudulant or such (you know who you are...) to be very careful as time goes on. On a side note, I suspect these major poker companies that are considering to close (Party) or already have closed(Pacific, Eurobet)US customer accounts are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or their respect for the US government - every business move is made with an incentive, and I'm afraid these companies' reasons for their actions are simply being kept unclear to US citizens. The optimistic message from the PPA concerning how different online poker is from other forms of gambling did not sway me too much... I hope all ends well, but this has gone far enough for me and ends officially today. Good luck to everyone. [/ QUOTE ] And by lower limit, I meant microlimit (don't nit-pick, I was thinkin' about the lower limits I'm now forced to play.... Freudian slip...)
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#69
10-03-2006, 04:24 AM
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Re: Neteller responds:
neteller opens about 15% higher on the london exchange this morning
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/...p;dist=dropmenu
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