5/10 hand against FSU

Ansky · #1 01-27-2006, 08:49 PM

I'm pretty sure the villain in this hand was fsuplayer from one of his previous posts where he said his party name.

I usually fold this pf, to be honest I'm not really sure why I called here, although I don't think its that bad either way.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($2113.75)
UTG ($933.50)
MP ($942.63)
Button ($1358.62)
SB ($826)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, 1 fold, Button raises to $45, 1 fold, Hero calls $35, UTG calls $35.

Flop: ($140) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I lead for 110, folds to fsu, he makes it 310. Does he raise AK/ air here enough for a push to be profitable? I pushed, but afterwards I realized that most players probably smooth call most big aces here.

lapoker17 · #2 01-27-2006, 08:53 PM

pretty sure you are behind and have little FE.

Ansky · #3 01-27-2006, 08:58 PM

Well, for what its worth, even if I'm up against the tightest of ranges...

Board: As Th 2s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 37.3893 % 37.39% 00.00% { QsJs }
Hand 2: 62.6107 % 62.61% 00.00% { AA, TT, ATo }

JMP300z · #4 01-27-2006, 09:04 PM

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I'm pretty sure the villain in this hand was fsuplayer from one of his previous posts where he said his party name.

I usually fold this pf, to be honest I'm not really sure why I called here, although I don't think its that bad either way.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($2113.75)
UTG ($933.50)
MP ($942.63)
Button ($1358.62)
SB ($826)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, 1 fold, Button raises to $45, 1 fold, Hero calls $35, UTG calls $35.

Flop: ($140) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I lead for 110, folds to fsu, he makes it 310. Does he raise AK/ air here enough for a push to be profitable? I pushed, but afterwards I realized that most players probably smooth call most big aces here.

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It aint that bad, the effective stacks being 140ish bb makes this spot a little different than your standard get it all in w/ a big draw in these spots is "mathematically inexploitable" situation (credit Scdavis). I dont mind it. The problem is mainly that if you check call he can fold any hand you get $$ from when you hit for the most part, if you Check raise less than all in its goofy b/c you open yourself ot a 3 bet you have to call when behind, if you CR all in its a bit too nasty (although i might do it occasionally). Calling the raise leaves you OOP in a bigish pot where you wont likely hit and if you do its hard to win more $$$. ALl these things kinda just show (which you guessed) why pf calling is pretty tough. Im more likely to play these big draws in these spots a bit slower and more straight foward.

FSU might be raising here w/ AJ/AQ etc and you can have some FE so dont be too hard on yourself if he instacalled w/ a set. Also, im going to go out on a limb here. while ive played some w/ FSU, not enough to know for sure, but his flop raise seems a bit small for a set raise for value thingy.

-JP

lapoker17 · #5 01-27-2006, 09:05 PM

you are not getting away from this and pushing flop is correct. this is an easy hand. just looks like he often has a big hand here too.

fsuplayer · #6 01-27-2006, 09:08 PM

fwiw, this raise is same if i had AA/AT/AK/air or whatever.

it was pretty arbitrary (sp). whatever i click thats in the ballpark 300-350 usually.

OOP id raise more.

BluffTHIS! · #7 01-27-2006, 09:54 PM

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you are not getting away from this and pushing flop is correct. this is an easy hand. just looks like he often has a big hand here too.

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Are you saying you can't get away from every 12 out draw you flop oop? Pushing verus a raise and checkraising big versus a bet are different things. FSU has to have either air or not be able to read hero's hand and betting here a lot in order for that push to have as much FE as expected. That's not to say FSU is calling all the time here with AK let alone AJ, but if he isn't some portion of the time then he is just going to be the b*tch of every monkey with a draw.

Playing this slower and more straightforward as JMP said is reasonable. It's true that if a flush card comes it is obvious and certainly hard to get anymore money out of TPTK, but against a set it may. And that is true as well when a gutshot comes and gives FSU top 2.

I never want to be calling my stack off with 1 pair, but I'm also not folding it 100% of the time against non-rock players who play lots of suited connectors.

lapoker17 · #8 01-27-2006, 10:13 PM

um, if fsu has one pair, this is an ok argument i guess. what did you have fsu?

JMP300z · #9 01-27-2006, 11:20 PM

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That's not to say FSU is calling all the time here with AK let alone AJ, but if he isn't some portion of the time then he is just going to be the b*tch of every Good player with a draw.

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-JP

flawless_victory · #10 01-27-2006, 11:24 PM

push HOPING he has AK?
OMGLOLOL!

preflop is no big deal, and i think u need to push over his raise on the flop, but only cause he will have some time of bluff/weak draw sometimes... if he has set/AT/AK he will obv call, but you will have some outs.