Stats Discussion: Defending Blinds

JustToast · #1 08-25-2006, 01:11 AM

I'm just reviewing this month's stats and have noticed i'm bleeding hard in the blinds. It's a relatively short sample (7500 hands or so) but there's clear indication i'm losing considerable cash from BB.

In fact, my general stats are:

Folded SB To Steal: 91.27
Folded BB To Steal: 63.52

I'm losing 0.4 BB/hand in Big Blind
I'm winning 0.05 BB/hand in Small Blind

Can you guys post some thoughts on blind defense theories/strategies for SSNL? Perhaps some position stats?

carnivalhobo · #2 08-25-2006, 01:14 AM

if you lose one or two big hands from the BB this will skew your results over such a tiny sample.

Also play more hands !

now thats out of the way.. over my last 30k im at (.09) from the bb and (.13) from the sb. with a Fold SB of 85 and fold BB of 80.

you are defending too much. depending on stakes you should be 3betting more or folding more.

Fly · #3 08-25-2006, 01:20 AM

don't worry about defending your blinds. imo it doesn't apply to cash games to any relevant extent. its best to play very tight from the blinds and avoid playing oop w/o solid hands.

JeanieJ · #4 08-25-2006, 01:23 AM

It's normal to be losing money from the BB. Here are my 50NL 6max stats:

Losing (0.29) in the BB
Winning 0.03 in the SB

Folded to SB Steal: 85.22
Folded to BB Steal: 81.21

Losing in the BB is normal though you don't want it to get too excessive. Defending too often could also lead to you losing even more in these positions.IMO your folding to BB steal should be a little higher than it is. I wouldn't worry about it too much, your stats aren't all that abnormal.

carnivalhobo · #5 08-25-2006, 01:23 AM

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don't worry about defending your blinds. imo it doesn't apply to cash games to any relevant extent. its best to play very tight from the blinds and avoid playing oop w/o solid hands.

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people play poorly from the blinds, i find blind v blind battles to be one situation where people play like [censored]. Similar to reraised pots.

A multitabling tag who is raising your bb every orbit needs to be dealt with. Simply giving up your blinds isnt the answer, but being more careful with/how to go about defending them is important.

Paul Thomson · #6 08-25-2006, 01:29 AM

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don't worry about defending your blinds. imo it doesn't apply to cash games to any relevant extent. its best to play very tight from the blinds and avoid playing oop w/o solid hands.

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people play poorly from the blinds, i find blind v blind battles to be one situation where people play like [censored]. Similar to reraised pots.

A multitabling tag who is raising your bb every orbit needs to be dealt with. Simply giving up your blinds isnt the answer, but being more careful with/how to go about defending them is important.

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Listen to this advice. A concrete way of dealing with this is the following logic:

When an aggressive loose player raises you from the CO or Button, then you should not only rereaise with your strong hands but also OCCASIONALY with your small pairs and suited connectors.

I stole this logic from a much better smarter player. When you do decide to defend them.

The most common lines are for marginal hands are:
lead flop.
check-call flop. lead turn.

Fly · #7 08-25-2006, 01:42 AM

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don't worry about defending your blinds. imo it doesn't apply to cash games to any relevant extent. its best to play very tight from the blinds and avoid playing oop w/o solid hands.

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people play poorly from the blinds, i find blind v blind battles to be one situation where people play like [censored]. Similar to reraised pots.

A multitabling tag who is raising your bb every orbit needs to be dealt with. Simply giving up your blinds isnt the answer, but being more careful with/how to go about defending them is important.

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I wasn't talking about blind battles. My advice was given in regard to defending against aggresive LP raisers. This is a bad idea. Defending against them (if their at all competent) is unneccesary and stupid imo.

That TAG does not have to be dealt with. Are you crazy? You want to force yourself to play OOP against decent players? get real.

Fly · #8 08-25-2006, 01:42 AM

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don't worry about defending your blinds. imo it doesn't apply to cash games to any relevant extent. its best to play very tight from the blinds and avoid playing oop w/o solid hands.

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people play poorly from the blinds, i find blind v blind battles to be one situation where people play like [censored]. Similar to reraised pots.

A multitabling tag who is raising your bb every orbit needs to be dealt with. Simply giving up your blinds isnt the answer, but being more careful with/how to go about defending them is important.

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Listen to this advice. A concrete way of dealing with this is the following logic:

When an aggressive loose player raises you from the CO or Button, then you should not only rereaise with your strong hands but also OCCASIONALY with your small pairs and suited connectors.

I stole this logic from a much better smarter player. When you do decide to defend them.

The most common lines are for marginal hands are:
lead flop.
check-call flop. lead turn.

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This is very transparent and I destroy the people who try to do this vs me.

carnivalhobo · #9 08-25-2006, 01:43 AM

if you fold your bb every time i raise the button, you are losing 8.3bb/100 just from that.

Fly · #10 08-25-2006, 01:45 AM

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if you fold your bb every time i raise the button, you are losing 8.3bb/100 just from that.

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I don't fold every single time. I will reraise occasionally but it is only for the purpose of doing it often enough to let him know I 3bet w/ a wider range then big pairs and AK. Nothing to do w/ defending blinds. I pretty much never call though.