2/4 - Turn raise a donk bet

housenuts · #1 08-21-2006, 04:20 PM

How's my line here. Donk-bettor hasn't been out of line. He called down my turn cr a couple hands ago when I turned a flush out of the big blind. He had top pair, medium kicker.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

invictus33 · #2 08-21-2006, 04:27 PM

What's with the raise/fold? Call the 3-bet and call a river blank (raise or lead out if you improve). You've got TPGK on a fairly innocent board. Sure there are some cards that you don't want to see hit on the river but heads up with your hand isn't such a bad spot to be in.

buhler26 · #3 08-21-2006, 04:28 PM

I play it the same way.

If MP2 were to fold to the first turrn bet, then I might just call the turn bet and reevaluate on the river, but with another possible drawing hand out there, I like the raise.

Darrone · #4 08-21-2006, 05:17 PM

preflop: jko (haha, pun) is not strong enough to be raising here. and i dont understand the point of the raise/fold. you could see a showdown for the same price, and your not going to run him off, so id just call down against this opponent.

SeaEagle · #5 08-21-2006, 06:41 PM

I play it like you did. Counting hand combos, there's 10 possible sets and 39 possible 2-pair (or close to that), and you're up against one or the other. You can probably discount the 2-pair combos by about a third since BB is likely folding crap like 94o.

So let's say that 40% of the time you're draing dead to a set. 60% of the time you're drawing to a bigger 2 pair and average 6 outs. So you have about an 8% chance of drawing out on him and, getting 10-1, need about a 9% chance to call the turn bet.

Given that you can't collect extra bets on the end, because you can never be confident you're ahead and this is a decent fold.

shark6 · #6 08-21-2006, 07:18 PM

I like it. If he just calls the raise are you taking a free showdown if a blank falls on the river and he checks to you?

livinitup0 · #7 08-21-2006, 08:22 PM

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How's my line here. Donk-bettor hasn't been out of line. He called down my turn cr a couple hands ago when I turned a flush out of the big blind. He had top pair, medium kicker.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

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I play it the same way. Sure sometimes we have him beat, but more times than not you are going to be looking at a small weirdly played flop set, 99 or J9. AJ is a weird one to look out for in this spot too. Save the extra bets.

RatFink · #8 08-21-2006, 08:38 PM

Should you wait for a better position at the table but the button to isolate with KJo?

livinitup0 · #9 08-21-2006, 08:51 PM

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Should you wait for a better position at the table but the button to isolate with KJo?

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Nice....

And depending on the opponent's stats, it wouldnt matter what hand you had if they have a tendancy to play weak postflop and fold to C-bets a lot.

Buzz-cp · #10 08-21-2006, 09:29 PM

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I play it the same way. Sure sometimes we have him beat, but more times than not you are going to be looking at a small weirdly played flop set, 99 or J9. AJ is a weird one to look out for in this spot too. Save the extra bets.

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Can you explain to me why we would want to raise here if we are facing a better hand? This seems to contradict the FTOP.

Buzz