Easy preflop question

[Dan Bitel]

I've said it before...I don't like reraising these sort of hands. They have huge showdown value and obv great set value, and we just take sooo much of that away by reraising.

I'd much rather reraise 67s or a suited ace than TT/99

[c_strong]

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He made a 4bb+1 raise from UTG, I'm going to give him credit for a decent hand if I have no reads, and see what flops.

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He made a standard PSR because of the OOP post. FTP has a bet pot button and he just mashed that. I wouldn't draw any conclusions about the strength of his hand from the $5 bet.

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My point about it being 4BB+1 was that it was a standard raise, not a [censored] minraise or whatever. I thought this made it more likely that he's a reasonable player. Didn't know about the bet pot button - obviously this changes things. Still think a call is prob best though.

[Bukem_]

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I've said it before...I don't like reraising these sort of hands. They have huge showdown value and obv great set value, and we just take sooo much of that away by reraising.

I'd much rather reraise 67s or a complete junk than TT/99

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[maccamack]

I like a re-raise. UTG's gonna need a great hand to continue with the guy in the middle. I don't mind taking this pot down now, and I also don't mind callers (although any c-bet would need great flop texture), finally a re-raise from UTG lets me get away from this cheaply if the flop was all unders.

[anacrime]

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I've said it before...I don't like reraising these sort of hands. They have huge showdown value and obv great set value, and we just take sooo much of that away by reraising.

I'd much rather reraise 67s or a suited ace than TT/99

[/ QUOTE ]I like this. This has always been my intuition but I never really put it into words before.

[CaptainNurple]

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I've said it before...I don't like reraising these sort of hands. They have huge showdown value and obv great set value, and we just take sooo much of that away by reraising.

I'd much rather reraise 67s or a suited ace than TT/99

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Maybe I'm missing something obvious dbitel, but would you mind explaining what you mean by "they have huge showdown value", or even just expand on everything you said above?

I understand the huge set value of hands like this is a multiway pot, but how does TT have huge showdown value? It seems like in a raised pot it'd only have medium showdown value at best unless you hit your set, since any A-J could have you beat.

Seems like everyone agrees with you, so I'm just trying to understand what I'm missing here.

Thanks.

[kitaristi0]

When I saw that I had TT I just instapotted it and took it down, but seconds later realised that calling > raising.

[Dan Bitel]

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I've said it before...I don't like reraising these sort of hands. They have huge showdown value and obv great set value, and we just take sooo much of that away by reraising.

I'd much rather reraise 67s or a suited ace than TT/99

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Maybe I'm missing something obvious dbitel, but would you mind explaining what you mean by "they have huge showdown value", or even just expand on everything you said above?

I understand the huge set value of hands like this is a multiway pot, but how does TT have huge showdown value? It seems like in a raised pot it'd only have medium showdown value at best unless you hit your set, since any A-J could have you beat.

Seems like everyone agrees with you, so I'm just trying to understand what I'm missing here.

Thanks.

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It kind of all depends how confortable you are with playing a marginal hand OOP and getting reads on your opponent. But if your opponent has 2 overs, he's going to only hit the flop 1 in 3 times and cbet most the time too. Now I'm confortable enough in my ability that I can take this TT to showdown when he's missed.

A normal line is to c/c flop and check turn, or something like that. Its actually not too hard to get to showdown really, and you'll obviously be ahead more often than not. Yeha, sometimes you let QJ or whatever outdraw you, but I think thats more than made up for by the value you get when they miss/the time you flop a set and the times you would've got yourself in a big mess vs JJ+ when you reraised preflop

[Caelallaiach]

In general, I just call here.

[2Paul2]

I rr or call dependant on the guys opening standards and how he plays postflop.

I guess default v an unknown would be a call though so I voted that.

Paul