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Old 08-11-2006, 02:48 PM
primetime32 primetime32 is offline
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Default Re: Mansion Deals Exact Same Hand 3 Minutes Apart (hand histories inc)

Nope, he sold it and started a new offshore sportsbetting forum.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:15 PM
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I multitabled, and would on many occasions get the same 2 cards at different 2 diffeent tables.


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Proof that online poker is rigged! This never happens at B&M poker.
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Old 08-12-2006, 07:43 AM
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Note how on the first table there are only eight players, while on the second table there are nine players. If the RNG would have resulted in a deck in the exact same order as in a previous hand, there would have been another result.
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Old 08-12-2006, 09:58 AM
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Peter, if they deal out nine hands and then distribute them to the players, tossing out any left overs, it looks the same to me.

dguild, post the emails here.

Edit: If they are doing something like XORing the RN with the entropy, and the entropy is 0, you get the RN back again. If the RNG gets the same seed on reboot, you get the same RN--> same deck. I think that's how it would work.
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Old 08-12-2006, 11:22 AM
Benholio Benholio is offline
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Obviously not a RNG error, its a handmade action flop!
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:17 PM
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The first hand is my cut and paste from the Mansion hand history and is in GMT It equates to 8:22PM EDT on the 27th.

The second is just a cut and paste from their e-mail. I honestly had not noticed the strange date format of their hand. The only reason I found out about this was the player 'Cap' saying in the chat window the next hand they had just seen the exact same hand occur at the other table. So I knew the times were very close when requesting the other hand history from Mansion. I looked at difference in hand number and then the difference in minutes.

I made a few other posts in this thread at another place
http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=395763

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Ummm...and it took you 2 weeks to decide to post these hands?

Somebody go ahead and check the hand-numbers if they like.
I also note that I haven't exactly seen a rash of "OMG, same hand over and over" type of posts about Mansion.

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It took 2 weeks of e-mails before they finally sent me the details of the second hand I was requesting. I'll send e-mail chaint to anyone who wants it. Or more simply as you suggest, simply ask Mansion for the hands yourself.

I'll be gone til late Saturday/early Sunday

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FWIW, when I have Party Poker email hands to a yahoo mail account, they are in a slightly different format than they would be if I pulled them from PT or the HH file myself.

Just saying.
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Old 08-12-2006, 11:42 PM
GrannyMae GrannyMae is offline
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wtf is going on here?

this thread is 2 days old, and nobody has word from mansion?

this is a HUGE problem, or a long-odds coincidence that's bound to happen someday. however, mansion needs to immediately release the full HH's with ALL the opponents hole cards. if the hole cards of the people other than these 3 hands are also the same, then this is mightily [censored].
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Old 08-13-2006, 01:12 AM
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wtf is going on here?

this thread is 2 days old, and nobody has word from mansion?

this is a HUGE problem, or a long-odds coincidence that's bound to happen someday. however, mansion needs to immediately release the full HH's with ALL the opponents hole cards. if the hole cards of the people other than these 3 hands are also the same, then this is mightily [censored].

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it would make no sense for mansion to send a batch of hand histories that show a RNG failure (the best guess i've seen as to what happened) without also explaining what they plan to do for the players involved. i'd guess he'll hear from them after management has a pow-wow...
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:00 AM
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but i still believe you and don't see a point of you making a fake post (if it was fake)

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Have you ever seen the effort nos1no2 puts into fake posts? Some people are just asshats with too much time on their hands.

I'm assuming this is fake until the different formats are explained.
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:02 AM
SoCalRugger SoCalRugger is offline
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I multitabled, and would on many occasions get the same 2 cards at different 2 diffeent tables.


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Proof that online poker is rigged! This never happens at B&M poker.

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This is the same guy that PM'd me asking where to get a pattern mapper. Genius.
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