Winning Players

BigStack650 · #1 08-06-2006, 07:59 PM

If you had to assign a percentage to the amount of people who play poker/gamble seriously, what would the percentage be of that group who are winning players?

Ace-Ex · #2 08-06-2006, 08:03 PM

I've heard 10%, but that may be optimistic. I guess it depends on who you're talking about--home game, internet, B&M?

Oh and I've heard 60 Million as an overall number of players.

kimchi · #3 08-06-2006, 11:03 PM

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I've heard this figure too, but I'm not sure it's right. 45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of hands.

jtr · #4 08-07-2006, 12:00 AM

This old thread might be helpful.

Ares · #5 08-07-2006, 12:44 AM

You need a large amount of hands to characterise someone as a "winning player". Maybe 100k and more hands. The smaller his winrate the more hands you need. 1.000 or even 10.000 hands say nothing at all. The SD/EV ratio is really high in holdem.

dtan05 · #6 08-07-2006, 04:29 PM

well, usually the losing players don't play as many hands as the winning players, unless they're loaded.

Poker Plan · #7 08-08-2006, 09:55 AM

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I've heard this figure too, but I'm not sure it's right. 45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of hands.

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Yeah, but you're not tracking each player's (in your PT database)results over their poker career. You're just seeing a snapshot for the time they are at your tables.

Ian

suited aces · #8 08-08-2006, 05:39 PM

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Have you ever heard of survivorship bias?

morphball · #9 08-08-2006, 06:30 PM

I've read at various places that 1/3 of the players are break-even or better. The percentage that win significant amounts is less than 10%.

Pokerstars or PartyPoker released a statistic that 7% of their total registered players are net winners, however, that does take into consideration the winning players (from home games, casinos, other sites )that put a buy-in or two on and loose it not to reload.

701 · #10 08-08-2006, 06:36 PM

I would have to estimate that 93% of the players are losing money.
2% are breaking even,
and 5% are pros.