Who is running the WSOP?

[RoundTower]

Just to remove any doubts:

During the second level today I get moved tables. Shortly after, a table in another part of the room gets broken. I call over Dennis Jones, who is the second in command tournament director after a guy called Daly. I ask him why they broke the tables in that order and when our table will be broken. He shows me the sheet with the breaking order, and tells me "ESPN gave us this."

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From another Harry Demetriou post on the hendonmob site.

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Apparently when Howard Greenbaum was asked about why he made this decision to extend the day 3 play by 1.5 levels his answer was:

"It was ESPN who made the decision"

Make of that answer what you will but I can't believe ESPN have that much power. They may have requested it for exaample but someone within the WSOP set up must have surely ordered it.

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[mayostard]

Why would ESPN want more levels? Did they have a particularly good feature table that day?

[Kevmath]

I think the deal is that is the tournament gets to the final table quicker, they save money.

[Kevmath]

This is from another Harry Demetriou post on the Hendon Mob forum:

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Alas there was yet another extremely poor decision today in the main event at The WSOP (but according to my sources this is how it went down).

A player goes all in and then calls a clock on another player who is contemplating whether or not to call.

The floor person counts down until he gets to the final few seconds.

Floor person: 3....2.....1

Player says: I Call

Floor person: Your hand is dead.

Player: Can you call a supervisor.

Supervisor comes over and asks dealer and floor person and other players what happened and it is confirmed that the rule is floor person has to say 3...2...1...your hand is dead before the player says I call for the hand to be dead but still upholds the floor persons decision regardless of the fact that everyone agrees player said I call before the floor person says the hand is dead.

There are around 300 or so players left at this point and it is a HUGE pot and we are very deep into the biggest poker event ever held and this decision can affect the outcome of the payouts of the players involved rather substantially.

After the hand is dead the player asks the first player what he had and he shows him a stone cold bluff and he would have been out with the call.

This has to be a BLATANT abuse of the rules...the rule is you have 1 min and 10 secs and NOT 1 min and 9 secs.

The player who bluffed has a sponsors cap here. Let us say (and I am not saying this has happened here) but this poor decsiion could have been the result of favouritiwsm to the sponsored player who was bluffing and all in. It brings into question the very integrity of the game and could be a result of collusion between a player and a floor person or favouritism for a particular site.

IMO it is an example of a VERY POOR floor person and supervisor decision and none of the other suggestions above but I hope you all get the point.

This incident was witnessed by reporters and several spectators not to mention the other players at the table and dealer and is a shocking example of how these bad decisions by inappropriately qualified floor staff is having a significantly detrimental effect on the game.

I would be interested to know of the names of the staff members involved along with all the players at the table (I only have some names so far) as this incident imho demands further investigation.

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[Gobias Ind.]

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This is from another Harry Demetriou post on the Hendon Mob forum:

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Alas there was yet another extremely poor decision today in the main event at The WSOP (but according to my sources this is how it went down).

A player goes all in and then calls a clock on another player who is contemplating whether or not to call.

The floor person counts down until he gets to the final few seconds.

Floor person: 3....2.....1

Player says: I Call

Floor person: Your hand is dead.

Player: Can you call a supervisor.

Supervisor comes over and asks dealer and floor person and other players what happened and it is confirmed that the rule is floor person has to say 3...2...1...your hand is dead before the player says I call for the hand to be dead but still upholds the floor persons decision regardless of the fact that everyone agrees player said I call before the floor person says the hand is dead.

There are around 300 or so players left at this point and it is a HUGE pot and we are very deep into the biggest poker event ever held and this decision can affect the outcome of the payouts of the players involved rather substantially.

After the hand is dead the player asks the first player what he had and he shows him a stone cold bluff and he would have been out with the call.

This has to be a BLATANT abuse of the rules...the rule is you have 1 min and 10 secs and NOT 1 min and 9 secs.

The player who bluffed has a sponsors cap here. Let us say (and I am not saying this has happened here) but this poor decsiion could have been the result of favouritiwsm to the sponsored player who was bluffing and all in. It brings into question the very integrity of the game and could be a result of collusion between a player and a floor person or favouritism for a particular site.

IMO it is an example of a VERY POOR floor person and supervisor decision and none of the other suggestions above but I hope you all get the point.

This incident was witnessed by reporters and several spectators not to mention the other players at the table and dealer and is a shocking example of how these bad decisions by inappropriately qualified floor staff is having a significantly detrimental effect on the game.

I would be interested to know of the names of the staff members involved along with all the players at the table (I only have some names so far) as this incident imho demands further investigation.

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Gross. I would have been furious if I were the dead hand in that one.

[Supwithbates]

i dont understand why everyone waits until the very last second
just say "i call" with two seconds left and there's no problem

[CybrPunk]

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Why would ESPN want more levels? Did they have a particularly good feature table that day?

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Obviously because it lowers their production costs. ESPN is paying an entire staff of directors, cameramen, boom operators and everything else that comes with producing a live show such as this one. I would imagine that each day ESPN can save on filming saves them tens of thousands of dollars.

Not as if these guys are under any stress playing for millions or anything....

Oh, wait. They are!

[KKsuited]

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This is from another Harry Demetriou post on the Hendon Mob forum:

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Alas there was yet another extremely poor decision today in the main event at The WSOP (but according to my sources this is how it went down).

A player goes all in and then calls a clock on another player who is contemplating whether or not to call.

The floor person counts down until he gets to the final few seconds.

Floor person: 3....2.....1

Player says: I Call

Floor person: Your hand is dead.

Player: Can you call a supervisor.

Supervisor comes over and asks dealer and floor person and other players what happened and it is confirmed that the rule is floor person has to say 3...2...1...your hand is dead before the player says I call for the hand to be dead but still upholds the floor persons decision regardless of the fact that everyone agrees player said I call before the floor person says the hand is dead.

There are around 300 or so players left at this point and it is a HUGE pot and we are very deep into the biggest poker event ever held and this decision can affect the outcome of the payouts of the players involved rather substantially.

After the hand is dead the player asks the first player what he had and he shows him a stone cold bluff and he would have been out with the call.

This has to be a BLATANT abuse of the rules...the rule is you have 1 min and 10 secs and NOT 1 min and 9 secs.

The player who bluffed has a sponsors cap here. Let us say (and I am not saying this has happened here) but this poor decsiion could have been the result of favouritiwsm to the sponsored player who was bluffing and all in. It brings into question the very integrity of the game and could be a result of collusion between a player and a floor person or favouritism for a particular site.

IMO it is an example of a VERY POOR floor person and supervisor decision and none of the other suggestions above but I hope you all get the point.

This incident was witnessed by reporters and several spectators not to mention the other players at the table and dealer and is a shocking example of how these bad decisions by inappropriately qualified floor staff is having a significantly detrimental effect on the game.

I would be interested to know of the names of the staff members involved along with all the players at the table (I only have some names so far) as this incident imho demands further investigation.

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Gross. I would have been furious if I were the dead hand in that one.

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This is just flat out incorrect. The player was aloud to call and he was shown the STONE COLD NUTS, not a bluff. The player was eliminated and everything worked out correctly.

I'm not a fan of Harrah's myself, but Harry is going out of his way to bitch and complain. It's getting annoying. At least get the story right.

[TripKings]

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Why are things moving further in this direction year after year(especially after 2003)? Follow the money.

ESPN is paying Harrah's X-million for exclusive filming/airing rights.

Harrah's is providing a venue/advertising for the WSOP. And likely making a killing off of room, food, player leaks, etc, etc.

THe players are putting up 100% of the prize money, paying management, staff. dealers, etc.

Players need to organize and fight for better terms and conditions or watch things get worse.

Follow the money.

-TripKings


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