Best tournament player of all time

[El Diablo]

ES,

I believe he is optimizing by getting his M down to the perfect level to be able to outplay everyone regardless of stack size. I am pretty sure that at this early stage in the tournament it is a very big disadvantage to have a big stack because you will call in a lot of places where you get the right odds but are behind, whereas if you have the correct sized shorter stack, you can play perfect poker. Therefore, all experts try not to have a large stack until later in the tournament when a large stack is advantageous.

[The Drizzle]

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ES,

I believe he is optimizing by getting his M down to the perfect level to be able to outplay everyone regardless of stack size. I am pretty sure that at this early stage in the tournament it is a very big disadvantage to have a big stack because you will call in a lot of places where you get the right odds but are behind, whereas if you have the correct sized shorter stack, you can play perfect poker. Therefore, all experts try not to have a large stack until later in the tournament when a large stack is advantageous.

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Which, of course, is why the Day 1 chipleader never wins the tournament.

[El Diablo]

TD,

Exactly. That's a pretty well-known fact that many tourney pros talk about, and is basically explained by my post.

[smoove]

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ES,

I believe he is optimizing by getting his M down to the perfect level to be able to outplay everyone regardless of stack size. I am pretty sure that at this early stage in the tournament it is a very big disadvantage to have a big stack because you will call in a lot of places where you get the right odds but are behind, whereas if you have the correct sized shorter stack, you can play perfect poker. Therefore, all experts try not to have a large stack until later in the tournament when a large stack is advantageous.

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El D,

This makes perfect sense to me. But I'm not sure you're giving Madsen enough credit. Surely a player of his abilities needn't resort to this strategy of "perfect poker" to win this tournament. On the other hand, I suppose it's possible that he doesn't yet have the confidence in his own abilities that we all do--it is relatively early in his career, after all. From that perspective, maybe he does want to give himself an extra edge to virtually guarantee the victory.

[Arbitrage]

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Schneids: IIRC, the tournament event you won is a limit holdem event, ie: pure luck. Once you do something in a real NLHE poker tournament, perhaps you'll be worthy of consideration.


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[Josh W]

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Can anyone possibly explain what is happening here? Does Jeff feel there is an advantage to playing a shortstack early? Is he trying to come from behind?

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Retarded. What makes you think any of us know enough tournament strategy to be able to guess Jeff's approach? Just watch in awe.

Josh

[Ghazban]

Madsen is out of the WSOP ME!

At this rate, my calculations show that he will never win a main event bracelet. He should clearly be removed from consideration as "best tournament player of all time" when it has been mathematically proven that he cannot win the big one.

[El Diablo]

G,

STFU idiot. What this proves is one thing and one thing alone. There is a lot of luck in a single tournament, and even the best player in the world can get unlucky and get eliminated. Madsen has already proven his consistency over a large set of tournaments. The results of any single tournament do not change that for anyone who actually understands the statistics of tournament poker.

[Banks2334]

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Madsen is out of the WSOP ME!

At this rate, my calculations show that he will never win a main event bracelet. He should clearly be removed from consideration as "best tournament player of all time" when it has been mathematically proven that he cannot win the big one.

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Dare I say "Overrated"?

[Ghazban]

El D,

This is simple math. He is 0/1 in the main event. At this rate, if he plays 20 more main events, his chances of winning will be 0*20 = 0. He has no shot at ever winning. Don't let your rampant fayboyism cloud the cold hard facts here.