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07-24-2006, 11:00 AM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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[ QUOTE ] Are you ready to join anarcho-capitalism yet? [/ QUOTE ] Hey, he got exactly what he wanted, government involvement. What's he complaining about? [/ QUOTE ] Far from it. Big oil has made just about ZERO contributions to solar power, fission, and many other forms of alternative energy. If it wasn't obvious to you before, unrestrained private enterprise is the root of the problems here. Ironically, if the US keeps dragging it's feet thanks to big oil, communist China or a concerted EU effort might be the ones that will solve the CO2 problem. The EU already does far more than big oil on alternative energy and they worked very well together when building CERN. China already outpaces the US in physics PH.D's. So the two biggest governments of them all will be our saviors. If you couldn't tell already: Exxon is worthless http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...est-usat_x.htm Big oil is the source of the conspiracy http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/GlobalWarm...428&page=1 and no oil company exists on this list. http://www.logicalscience.com/technology/ So preach your blind religion elsewhere. Holy crap why do I even respond? I hope mason deletes this forum since it's filled with political bible thumpers. 
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#33
07-24-2006, 11:51 AM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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[ QUOTE ] I hope mason deletes this forum since it's filled with political bible thumpers. [/ QUOTE ] Like yourself? [/ QUOTE ] The adjective "bible thumper" was in reference to those that won't accept the facts, no matter how strong the evidence is to the contrary. I have several hundred links on my site http://www.logicalscience.com/ and the worlds leading scientists and even economists supporting my point of view. You have some Austrian hack that very few respect.
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#34
07-24-2006, 12:07 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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[ QUOTE ] Your implication to me is that the current administration is promoting the business of oil companies to the detriment of its citizenry. If I'm right about what your claiming then this IMO this doesn't add up to a move toward communism. [/ QUOTE ] I agree communism isn't the best choice of words. I should of used totalitarian. However, I hope you can see the similarities between this behavior and China's behavior. China is well known for sensoring the internet and jailing people who say things it doesn't like. China is also known for erasing events from textbooks like the Tiananmen massacre. Is that clear enough adios? If now what word do you think I should of used? [/ QUOTE ] I actually think you're leaning more towards a label of being facist. Sorry I don't want to start any kind of logical debate without at least starting on logical ground. Not saying I always start there but I try to. Note that facist and communist regimes can both be totalitarian. Totalitarianism The reason I think you're implying facism: Facism Note the word "corporitism." Corporatism The implication that oil companies are wielding undue and unwarranted influence and power within the U.S. government seems to fit there with facism to me. Revisionist history and such are in the realm of totalitarian governments. I don't think that the current administration is even close to that point btw. Maybe I'm splitting hairs but I think alot of times miscommunication develops on these forums because people assume what the other person means and those assumptions are often erroneous.
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#35
07-24-2006, 12:29 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hope mason deletes this forum since it's filled with political bible thumpers. [/ QUOTE ] Like yourself? [/ QUOTE ] The adjective "bible thumper" was in reference to those that won't accept the facts, no matter how strong the evidence is to the contrary. I have several hundred links on my site http://www.logicalscience.com/ and the worlds leading scientists and even economists supporting my point of view. [/ QUOTE ] You talk about facts, but you lead with "look at how many people agree with me!" Your mantra-chant/post ratio is probably higher than anyone else in this forum. You throw the same old tired turd into the fray, then proclaim that you're "done with this thread" or "done posting for today". Of course, you're above discussion, and anyone that disagrees with you is inherently wrong. [ QUOTE ] You have some Austrian hack that very few respect. [/ QUOTE ] I haven't claimed any position on climate change. You blindly assume that anyone who opposes your methods must also oppose your findings.
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#36
07-24-2006, 12:39 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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Big oil has made just about ZERO contributions to solar power, fission, and many other forms of alternative energy. If it wasn't obvious to you before, unrestrained private enterprise is the root of the problems here. [/ QUOTE ] Why aren't there unrestrained, private enterprises making contributions to solar power, fission, and other forms of alternative energy?
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#37
07-24-2006, 12:46 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
adios you are right. you make good points, and thankyou for correcting me. Although this comment of yours:
[ QUOTE ] The implication that oil companies are wielding undue and unwarranted influence and power within the U.S. government seems to fit there with facism to me. [/ QUOTE ] Seems to indicate that you aren't fully convinced yet. Do you need more proof?
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#38
07-24-2006, 12:56 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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[ QUOTE ] Big oil has made just about ZERO contributions to solar power, fission, and many other forms of alternative energy. If it wasn't obvious to you before, unrestrained private enterprise is the root of the problems here. [/ QUOTE ] Why aren't there unrestrained, private enterprises making contributions to solar power, fission, and other forms of alternative energy? [/ QUOTE ] Exxon Mobil Posts Record Profits http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/0...131video2.html Shell reports record UK profits http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4672716.stm ************************************************** * Exxon Mobil Profit Surges but Gas, Oil Output Drops http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163935,00.html ************************************************** * Why should they? I couldn't think of a better way to protect your cash cow than the multibillion dollar entrance fee of an oil platform and the multibillion dollar refineries. Developing solar panels would be suicide because it allows competition due to low cost of entry.
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#39
07-24-2006, 01:02 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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[ QUOTE ] You have some Austrian hack that very few respect. [/ QUOTE ] I haven't claimed any position on climate change. [/ QUOTE ] Um..... the austrian hack was in reference to anarchocapitalism. [ QUOTE ] Your mantra-chant/post ratio is probably higher than anyone else in this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Hey, I have the record for links, experts and sources too. I am not ashamed.
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#40
07-24-2006, 01:07 PM
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Re: Has the US gone communist yet? It\'s hard to tell.
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You talk about facts, but you lead with "look at how many people agree with me!" [/ QUOTE ] That's an unfair mischaracterization. If anything, Wacki's leading with "look how many experts agree with me." There's a huge difference between that and what you are suggesting he's saying.
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