Paradise 1/2 -- Should I play this slower?

Mattafuga · #1 07-23-2006, 07:48 PM

Villain is a Tight-Aggressive player according to PT and is a straightforward player. 14.9% hands played, 7.7% preflop raise, 1.33 aggression factor after 200+ hands.

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO :#A500AF(villain)/ calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO :#A500AF(villain)/ calls, SB calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, villain raises, SB folds, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, villain caps, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, villain raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, villain caps, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (25.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, villain raises, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, villain caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 33.50 BB

brettbrettr · #2 07-23-2006, 07:50 PM

Yeah, I think playing it slower is best. Its not like you'd like to see every street capped [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

SixForty · #3 07-23-2006, 08:30 PM

Hmmm - this type of player knows what a paired board and a ton of action means. Once the villain raises the turn, I think it's pretty safe to put his range precisely on 99 or 88 an extremely high percentage of the time here. Cold calling first in preflop, then never stopping once the flop hits is almost always a set from him.

With that said though, once the turn hits, there's 3 combos of 88 and only one combo of 99 that he could have. And with BB padding the pot with his worthless AA [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'd 3bet and call the cap.

Once I lead and he still raises on the river, and then we lose BB's dead money, I'm inclined to just call at that point. If Villain has 88, Hero's play throughout the entire hand looks like JJ or 99. I doubt Villain is raising the river as often anymore with just 88. And we get into the whole "if he has 88, a 3bet by us only gains us one bet from him most of the time, while if he has 99, a 3bet by us loses 2 bets"

So I'd play it exactly the same up until he raises the river, and I'd just call.

ncboiler · #4 07-23-2006, 08:34 PM

Why would you play it slower?

Darrone · #5 07-23-2006, 09:08 PM

its hard to put someone on quads, but i think after the 2 caps and his raise on the river, im just calling.

ncboiler · #6 07-23-2006, 09:29 PM

Weak. He may be in love with a flopped straight or some other set.

Mattafuga · #7 07-23-2006, 09:48 PM

I put him on a set immediately too. I respected his raises and bets the entire time sitting with him, but I had trouble believing he turned the case 9. I took my max time before making it 3 bets on the turn just because I wasn't sure, but he capped it on the flop with a bare set, so thought maybe he was capping the turn still with a bare set (8-8). If I'm going to lose 10 BB in a pot, I don't mind losing it in this one.

TheHip41 · #8 07-23-2006, 09:50 PM

you have the 2nd nuts, just don't stop betting. If you lost, no one cares.

Haupt_234 · #9 07-23-2006, 10:00 PM

Huh? Is this serious?

BTW,

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Villain is a Tight-Aggressive player according to PT and is a straightforward player. 14.9% hands played, 7.7% preflop raise, 1.33 aggression factor after 200+ hands.

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7.7 PFR% and 1.33 AF isn't aggressive....

Haupt_234

Mattafuga · #10 07-24-2006, 12:26 AM

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Huh? Is this serious?

BTW,

[ QUOTE ]
Villain is a Tight-Aggressive player according to PT and is a straightforward player. 14.9% hands played, 7.7% preflop raise, 1.33 aggression factor after 200+ hands.

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7.7 PFR% and 1.33 AF isn't aggressive....

Haupt_234

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He's passive post flop, and raising with more than half of your starting hands preflop is fairly aggressive.