QTo butchery

DrewOnTilt · #1 07-20-2006, 01:02 AM

I don't know if what I need on this hand is feedback or just to get slapped around for playing like a moron.

UTG is a loose passive numb skull. He tends to give up easily postflop without a pair, so I raised to isolate him.

BB is a solid TAG. I know that he will check/raise top pair weak kicker, middle pairs on weak boards, etc. when given the opportunity.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero pukes.

Gravy · #2 07-20-2006, 02:01 AM

I feel like you wouldn't have given this hand a second thought if he didn't c/r the river.

Quick question: if you had just called the turn, do you raise this river? Do you pay off a 3-bet?

Moneyline · #3 07-20-2006, 02:53 AM

Preflop: I think raising here is smart for the reasons you described.

Flop: I would rather 3bet here. BB probably realizes that you're betting in this spot approximately 100% of the time, so his check/raising standards are going to be fairly liberal.

Turn: If there is wisdom to just calling on the flop, I think it is so you can raise if the turn is a blank. The 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not a blank, but it does give you redraws. Considering how you played the flop and the two aforementioned factors, I would rather just be passive and call. That said, my prefered line is to 3bet the flop and bet the turn.

River: The pot is pretty big here, so I think this is a fairly clear call with trips.

Just my opinion...

The Bryce · #4 07-20-2006, 03:11 AM

1) Payoff
2) Fold pre-flop, goof

redbeard · #5 07-20-2006, 04:35 AM

dito the bryce.

MATT111 · #6 07-20-2006, 09:05 AM

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2) Fold pre-flop

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What if you were CO, BT?

TeeJayOrTJ · #7 07-20-2006, 09:12 AM

I see no problem raising that with his read of UTG. On these type of boards with a weaker kick I usually lead to 3betting flop and leading turn. With the way you played it (which I do sometimes also) you have to call river and hope he is being frisky with some JT, A9 or Q8 type of hand.

MATT111 · #8 07-20-2006, 09:45 AM

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I see no problem raising that with his read of UTG.

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I think the tendencies of the players yet to act are way more important in the given situation.

TeeJayOrTJ · #9 07-20-2006, 10:27 AM

I would also say that I normally raise QTos in that position and if anything the UTG limp is an added reason to raise.

cartman · #10 07-20-2006, 01:39 PM

If you are going to call the flop CR and raise the turn, I think you should abort the plan with this turn card. The way you played it I would call the river. I also fold preflop.