Borg 80 Hand - Page 4

mike l. · #31 07-18-2006, 04:22 PM

i like all that except giving up on the river after he calls the turn is better.

tpir · #32 07-18-2006, 05:48 PM

If I felt like his range was decently wide enough I would check/call the flop and lead the turn (while keeping open the option of a turn-3 depending on the card). I think that is how I would end up playing something like 55-88 in this spot so I might as well do it here too.

DrSavage · #33 07-18-2006, 07:55 PM

I think what matters here is how likely he is to give us a free card if we check/call flop. If he's the type to check behind AQ/AK there i like check/call flop check turn. If he's the type that bets again i like check/call flop check/raise turn.

geormiet · #34 07-19-2006, 12:48 AM

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I think what matters here is how likely he is to give us a free card if we check/call flop. If he's the type to check behind AQ/AK there i like check/call flop check turn. If he's the type that bets again i like check/call flop check/raise turn.

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So depending on how he plays, you either check the turn, or check raise the turn? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DrSavage · #35 07-19-2006, 11:50 AM

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I think what matters here is how likely he is to give us a free card if we check/call flop. If he's the type to check behind AQ/AK there i like check/call flop check turn. If he's the type that bets again i like check/call flop check/raise turn.

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So depending on how he plays, you either check the turn, or check raise the turn? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Sorry, I meant check/call the turn in the first one.

goofball · #36 07-21-2006, 03:40 AM

as others assume the guy isn't a showdown monkey:

If we want to give him a chance to fold I think bet-3bet is the best flop line. By the way he reacts to us on the flop we should decide if he has a QQ/JJ or AK. If he has the former then checkraise the turn, if he has the latter then bet. Checkraising the turn after bet3betting the flop gets a lot of folds from a lot of hands but him checking behind is a disaster. If he checks behind we can only win the pot when we improve.

NMcNasty · #37 07-21-2006, 04:55 PM

I like checkraising the flop with the intention of 4 betting a reraise (and leading out on each street). A lot of players will reraise the flop with just overcards for either a free card or cheap showdown, but they usually wait until the turn to raise with overpairs. It gives you a chance to show aggression twice inexpensively and while your hand is still good (as opposed to donk/3 betting a missed turn).

Also, just check calling down isn't such a bad play. There are players that will call down a ragged board with virtually every hand they would be 3 betting with.

siegfriedandroy · #38 07-23-2006, 09:15 AM

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I think what matters here is how likely he is to give us a free card if we check/call flop. If he's the type to check behind AQ/AK there i like check/call flop check turn. If he's the type that bets again i like check/call flop check/raise turn.

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how often (and against what type of opponents, statwise) do you bet riv if you miss?

siegfriedandroy · #39 07-23-2006, 09:17 AM

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as others assume the guy isn't a showdown monkey:

If we want to give him a chance to fold I think bet-3bet is the best flop line. By the way he reacts to us on the flop we should decide if he has a QQ/JJ or AK. If he has the former then checkraise the turn, if he has the latter then bet. Checkraising the turn after bet3betting the flop gets a lot of folds from a lot of hands but him checking behind is a disaster. If he checks behind we can only win the pot when we improve.

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how will you determine his hand from the flop action?

MattiasL · #40 07-24-2006, 07:17 PM

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as others assume the guy isn't a showdown monkey:

If we want to give him a chance to fold I think bet-3bet is the best flop line. By the way he reacts to us on the flop we should decide if he has a QQ/JJ or AK. If he has the former then checkraise the turn, if he has the latter then bet. Checkraising the turn after bet3betting the flop gets a lot of folds from a lot of hands but him checking behind is a disaster. If he checks behind we can only win the pot when we improve.

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You want to checkraise the turn if he has QQ or JJ? Or did I misunderstand you?

A turn c/r seems nice if he is on the weaker part of his range, though.

If he checks behind on the turn we gain from not having to pay to see the river, which should make up for the lost bluffing opportunity. So I dont see this as a problem.