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#41
07-14-2006, 08:18 PM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
Helmuth is a marketing genius. DN has enough money and will to be marketed, so he has to be on this list. Mizrachi & Hansen should be on any list and so does Ivey.
Once Antonius wins a televised WSOP event, he'll be very high up there. 
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#42
07-14-2006, 10:47 PM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
The top 6 I picked because they don't necessarily have to be yappers at the table, some let their cards do the talking for them and sometimes those cards are complete junk.
1. Phil Hellmuth ( as said above, marketing genious ) 2. Daniel Negreanu ( great personality, what TV program is he not on ??? ) 3. Doyle Brunson ( the godfather of poker, half my friends don't know his name, but they know is face right away ) 4. Johnny Chan ( a lot of people have seen Rounders and it was their first peak into people doing this for a living ) 5. Gus Hansen ( so many people know him as well because of his erratic play, fun to watch and is ladies love ) 6. Phil Ivey ( like Doyle, many may not know his name but most know his face and his great style of play as he's great to watch ) The rest could be a mix of people but I think those 6 are givens. As for my last 4 it's a throw up but probably ... 7. Annie Duke ( gets the ladies more into poker and is very marketable ) 8. Chris Moneymaker ( he's all over TV commercials and his story was a complete fairytale that people just loved it and this was when poker was RED HOT and cooler than ever before or after imo EVERYONE knows him ) 9. Marcel Luske ( those who know him would definetely remember him ) 10. along with Luske this one could go to a number of people like Greenstein, Ferguson, and many more but that top 6 I don't think could be changed. Whether or not they are already marketable or not, if they all wanted to be they would have no problem picking up work for it ...
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#43
07-15-2006, 12:19 AM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
Joe Hachem is a nice guy and all..but who outside poker knows him? You have to take into consideration "marketable" as in someone who's not really into poker but would still recognize the following players. Phil Laak is not marketable because he hasn't won anything...he's just a goddamn clown. He really should not be on the list...
The keys to who would make the list are the ones who were thriving during the peak of the poker boom...the ones who got tv coverage in the 2003 WSOP ME, Season 1 and 2 of the WPT, and past accomplishments before poker hit mainstream..the ones who were there first.... Hellmuth, Brunson, and Ivey are the most recognizable in poker....people think because Ivey doesn't take time into making himself a 'brand' he's not as marketable...but I think that adds to his aura...he has a mystery side that the audience wants to get to know better... the next tier should be Lederer, Negreanu, and Jesus. The Jesus look is an icon...everywhere he goes people will recognize him as that "dude on the poker show"..in addition to other interesting characteristics such as having a PhD in computer science and throwing cards. Negreanu should never be left out of the list because he really is a great poker ambassador. Lederer may be out of people's lists now because he just hasn't play that much poker...but he was regularly on tv for the first season of the WPT, he had 3 DVDs and a nickname that sticks. And honestly, a good poker nickname will catch on with an outside poker audience. which brings us into the next tier: Mike the Mouth...and also the females...Annie Duke would inch out Jen Harman because she takes more an effort to market herself and she's known as the brother/sister duo with Howard...and someone like Great Dane Gus hansen should also be on the list. He won 3 WPT titles in the incipient stages of the poker boom, with other appearances on NBC with the Poker Superstars Finals and the Super Bowl halftime show. Scotty Nguyen rounds out my top 10...he always treats the fans well with at least one arm around a hottie, he's entertaining on TV, and also appeared in a Diet Pepsi commercial. Some other honorable mentions would be Men the Master, Jen harman, Barry Greenstein, Antonio the Magician, Phil Gordon (when Celebrity Poker was the highest rated show on Bravo), Moneymaker (if I had a top 11, this is where Moneyamker goes..well hell I would push Annie DUke off and replace her with Moneyman..but Annie is the obligatory female of the top 10. In addition Moneymaker's popularity has faded...he dosn't do the tourney circuit but still there was a time everyone knew him), raymer also with his recognizable glasses...and also I forgot Johnny Chan another good case for the top 10 (I mean I knew Chan before poker got big by seeing him in Rounders..and I had already been familiar with his name just because it was thrown out there when poker was mentioned)..Farha as well but I can't honestly think asking a Grandma if she knew who Sammy Farha was... Grinder would be left off the list...like what Oliver Tse said; players like grinder, mike gracz, nick schulman..all young guys who are definitley marketable but just a year too late making the burst...if they had made the crash during season 1 or 2 of the WPT they would be up there.
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#44
07-15-2006, 12:22 AM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
also who knows patrick antonius? no one will...only way anyone actually knows him if he wins the WSOP Main Event..but still I don't think anyone would know him..because 1) he's not American and 2) less and less lay people of poker or paying attention to who wins the WSOP
the american part also would leave Marcel Luske off the list...he has the ESPN TV spots, but he has no recognizable wins
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#46
07-15-2006, 09:03 AM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
[ QUOTE ]
also who knows patrick antonius? no one will...only way anyone actually knows him if he wins the WSOP Main Event..but still I don't think anyone would know him..because 1) he's not American and 2) less and less lay people of poker or paying attention to who wins the WSOP [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I understand this thread then. Are you trying to market players who have already been marketed? If Antonius has decent english, any serious PR agency can make him a household name in 6 months, with a decent budget to sepnd on it and his willingess to devot himself to this goal. He is young, rich, successful and good looking. It doesn't take a PR genius to market that.
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#47
07-15-2006, 11:53 AM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
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No one knows Daniel Negreanu ? Gus Hansen ? Farha ? They're not americans.. [/ QUOTE ] did you see my 2 of my conditions? DN,Gus have won something...I don't consider Farha in my top 10...I would probably say Farha and Marcel are on the same level marketing wise...this list isn't science just perception.
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#48
07-15-2006, 11:58 AM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] also who knows patrick antonius? no one will...only way anyone actually knows him if he wins the WSOP Main Event..but still I don't think anyone would know him..because 1) he's not American and 2) less and less lay people of poker or paying attention to who wins the WSOP [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I understand this thread then. Are you trying to market players who have already been marketed? If Antonius has decent english, any serious PR agency can make him a household name in 6 months, with a decent budget to sepnd on it and his willingess to devot himself to this goal. He is young, rich, successful and good looking. It doesn't take a PR genius to market that. [/ QUOTE ] He's not going to be a household name in 6 months...I don't know how popular he is in Europe, but if you're a newbie trying to break into poker mainstream popularity, you need to either win the WSOP or keep presenting yourself as a villain/douchebag type on tv. Most of poker's demographic is male..do you think they're going to watch Antonio because he's rich and good looking? Females won't flock to their tv screens for one guy...the Anna Kournikova effect doesn't really pertain to females. Also have you seen him talk in interviews and his douchey comments to Doyle? The guy's boring...I'm sorry he's not going to be a household name...he's definitely good but he's not going to be in any commercials anytime soon or ever.
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#49
07-15-2006, 12:30 PM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
Not-so talkative players:
1) Ivey 2) Brunson 3) Forrest 4) Greenstein 5) Ferguson Can't agree. Jesus has a higher q-rating by a LOOOOOOOOONG shot than Forrest or Barry.
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#50
07-15-2006, 01:21 PM
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Re: 10 Most MarketableTV Players
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Not-so talkative players: 1) Ivey 2) Brunson 3) Forrest 4) Greenstein 5) Ferguson Can't agree. Jesus has a higher q-rating by a LOOOOOOOOONG shot than Forrest or Barry. [/ QUOTE ] I said TWO conditions. Let me repeat...TWO conditions. How many titles have all the players you had just mentioned won?
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