QQ flops set but faces scary river

jmxthievez · #1 07-13-2006, 03:14 AM

6max at Party. I had been playing 27/16/2 and had been stealing a decent amount prior. Recently, I have tightened up and haven't given much action.

Villain is 56/7/1 over 150 hands. Have seen him slowplay a lot of hands he should have not have slowplayed. Traps preflop by just calling with QQ. Slow played 2 pair, etc. Hasn't done anything special but is not a good player.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($99)
SB (Villain)/ ($196.05)
BB ($122.70)
UTG ($38.05)
MP ($36.38)
CO ($113.48)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB (Villain)/ posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB (Villain)/ (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: ($12) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $10, Villain calls $10.

Turn: ($32) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $20, Villain calls $20.

River: ($72) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $69.43.

Hero???

LayZ · #2 07-13-2006, 03:27 AM

Its kind of obvious you're posting this because he was a donkey who would call anything to make his straight. Against a sensible player you probably did enough to make him lay it down. Maybe push the turn?

I like him for QT, seems to explain the play (for a donkey).

jjigglers · #3 07-13-2006, 03:40 AM

Why so small on the turn vs. a donkey? PSB or more is necessary.

Trader_Joe · #4 07-13-2006, 03:53 AM

You said he did slowplay his two pairs. There are a lot of two-pair hands that would call your preflop raise (Q8,QJ, and Q9). He may do the same things on this hand, and he may bluff with his bust flush draw. I would have called his bet. Result please? Thank you

younghov17 · #5 07-13-2006, 04:03 AM

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6max at Party. I had been playing 27/16/2 and had been stealing a decent amount prior. Recently, I have tightened up and haven't given much action.

Villain is 56/7/1 over 150 hands. Have seen him slowplay a lot of hands he should have not have slowplayed. Traps preflop by just calling with QQ. Slow played 2 pair, etc. Hasn't done anything special but is not a good player.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($99)
SB (Villain)/ ($196.05)
BB ($122.70)
UTG ($38.05)
MP ($36.38)
CO ($113.48)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB (Villain)/ posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB (Villain)/ (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: ($12) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $10, Villain calls $10.

Turn: ($32) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $20, Villain calls $20.

River: ($72) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $69.43.

Hero???

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while i usually say u dont have to pot the turn because a smaller bet gives them bad odds, when thr turn brings a 2nd draw into the picture you usually wanna bet moreso then you would normally. i probly bet 30 to 40 on this turn.

river is an easy fold for me.

Haiku · #6 07-13-2006, 04:05 AM

Pot the turn, I think you probably have to fold the river.

jmxthievez · #7 07-13-2006, 06:29 PM

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Its kind of obvious you're posting this because he was a donkey who would call anything to make his straight.

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Nah, I don't like people commenting/posting hands on here with that type of thinking. Why I'm posting this is only known to me and you should not assume that just because I'm posting I suffered a bad beat or whatever.

RESULTS:

River: ($72) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $69.43, Hero calls $64 (All-In).

Final Pot: $205.43
Villain has 3c 8c (one pair, eights).
Hero has Qc Qs (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $200. Villain wins $5.43. 

However, I do agree the only sensible holdings I see for villain to call a flop and turn bet here are Q-10 and 10-10, given that he would stupidly slowplay any of his other two pairs, I decided to call since I beat any combination.
He turned out to be on a stone cold bluff.

However, the reason I posted this hand was that despite villain's retarded play, it almost almost worked on me. I was about 3 seconds away from folding and I thought it was a great play even though I'm sure he didn't mean it as such.

Brettster · #8 07-13-2006, 06:33 PM

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Pot the turn, I think you probably have to fold the river.

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Defintley don't fold here, only hand that I can see catching that river card is Q10.

zeero3 · #9 07-13-2006, 06:44 PM

Why are you considering QT so highly when 3 are in play? Good call, always ask yourself if he is they TYPE of player that would try to steal that pot.

terp · #10 07-13-2006, 06:45 PM

i've made uglier calls in the past and held up. i'm prob calling the river with any set or top two and folding anything less.