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Haupt_234 · #1 07-01-2006, 08:58 PM

Villan is 19/14/4.20 over 270. Loves to free card or even bet/3bet a c/r for a free card just about anything with 6 outs or more. Especially HU.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (7.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets

Haupt_234

James. · #2 07-01-2006, 09:55 PM

play it the same. nh.

ncboiler · #3 07-01-2006, 10:50 PM

Nice hand. I probably would have led the flop but check raise was proably better.

BenA · #4 07-02-2006, 01:28 AM

The 4.2 agr. factor and your excellent reads obviously make this hand play very nice. But what if it was, say 2.2? If he was a typical TAG, how 'bout b/c flop, c/r turn, b/c river? And are you calling in the BB solely because of your opponent? These are poker novice questions, but I'd sincerely appreciate some feedback.

Haupt_234 · #5 07-02-2006, 11:39 AM

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But what if it was, say 2.2? If he was a typical TAG, how 'bout b/c flop, c/r turn, b/c river?

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A typical TAG won't raise the flop and bet the turn with overs, for the most part. If a typical TAG is betting the turn after raising the flop, we are beat a ton of the time. C/ring the turn also sucks because giving a free card is horrific since we only hold bottom pair.

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And are you calling in the BB solely because of your opponent?

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I think the PF call is ok with this type of opponent since he is very aggressive and, if you hit a hand, he will likely think you are stealing from him with his aggression factor and play back at you. This hand is a good example of that.

Haupt_234

BenA · #6 07-02-2006, 05:59 PM

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A typical TAG won't raise the flop and bet the turn with overs, for the most part. If a typical TAG is betting the turn after raising the flop, we are beat a ton of the time. C/ring the turn also sucks because giving a free card is horrific since we only hold bottom pair.

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Oh yeah, the 'line' I wrote was circumstantial, not a pre-conceived plan. The turn c/r was IF he raised the flop, and because you made trips. I wasn't very clear, sorry.

Grease · #7 07-02-2006, 07:49 PM

I really like this hand, Haupt. The turn bet is perfect, since he loves to take freebies, and the river is totally standard.

I think PF is fine, since you know you can outplay him postflop if you hit, and you can C/F if you miss.

SixForty · #8 07-02-2006, 09:10 PM

I'd fold preflop, but I know I'm too tight in blind steal situations! (I guess his attempt to steal numbers might sway me!)

The flop and turn I love.

The river, I'm not sure I like the 3bet. You've said yourself that Villain loves to use the bet or 3bet play for a free card. Given his flop and turn line here, it looks like that is something that he was trying to do. It looks like he is drawing, and he now knows it.

That being said, to him it looks like you hit trip 4's. Is he really raising this river with a worse hand often enough for Hero to 3bet it? If he was drawing to overcards, well that's the 6 outs that you specified earlier, but even on this board? After it looked like you hit trips? Maybe.

If he was drawing to two pair, that's less than 6 outs. And given that, it looks like the river helped him. If he had A9, with that aggression factor, I think he raises you on the turn again. I think at this point, one of the only hands that you beat after his river raise is A6 that just hit two pair. Even that's a stretch after his flop and turn action.

I really need to be convinced of the value in this river 3bet. Once he raises, I'd say Hero is losing to a flush more than 50% of the time.

Bruce D · #9 07-03-2006, 06:29 AM

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I really need to be convinced of the value in this river 3bet. Once he raises, I'd say Hero is losing to a flush more than 50% of the time.

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There are 10.2 bb in the pot. He only has to be right less than 10% of the time to make this correct. This would only be a small mistake if any at all to three bet here.

Gazzbut · #10 07-03-2006, 08:44 AM

The total pot size is irrelevant to the value of the 3-bet on the river.

The 3-bet can only gain 1 extra bet or two if villian caps with the losing hand so you are risking 1 BB to win 1BB which is why Sierra mentioned 50%

Im also not convinced the 3-bet is standard.