pp 2/4: top set KK OESD broadway board

[XmasXmas]

villain is 20.65/13.77/4.75 over 275

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>.

[Fat Nicky]

i'd prob call the turn here and call the river u/i, but i'm a puss.

There are an awful lot of hands the BB could be betting here that you beat, such as his pair + straight draw on the flop turned into 2 pair on the turn.

Also, consider that if he had an A, would he be more likely to c/r the river rather than bet.

[ncboiler]

With an AF like you are calling down and seing a show down. I would be surprised however if your hand is not good because this guy has loose raising standards so he is raising with A/Q. That being said I'm with fat nicky.....calling down.

[Haupt_234]

I would call and call the river UI. And bet when checked to on the river... you don't want to open yourself up to a 3bet on the turn.

Haupt_234

[XmasXmas]

what do you guys think of this logic? since he called pf, i don't really know quite what he has, but he probably doesn't have a big ace as his pfr is high enough that i think he'd go ahead and three bet AK, AQ, and maybe even AJ (but probably not AJ). the flop c/r makes me think he has something more like KQ/KJ/KT/QJ/QT/JT. turn donk made me think he improved to two pair or was trying to bet a scare card.

from that thinking, i raised.

[SixForty]

I think raising this turn opens you up to an expensive 3bet too much.

Either you are way ahead (his two pair is drawing dead to you) or you are behind and need to fill up. Taking the cheap single bet on the turn to see the river is not bad for you, and doesn't usually help him if he's behind.

I'd call the turn and call the river UI. If checked to on the river, I'd bet.

If I fill up on the river, jam til it's capped.

[Elevens]

That turn sucks.

[tsrcess]

i don't really understand your logic. whatever you think he might have, he leads the turn after you 3 bet with 4 to broadway present. yes, you still MIGHT have him beat, but, with that lead i would maybe think he has a,x(hearts) or something else that has you beat. even if you raise, i don't see him calling the river with two pair because it looks like for sure you made broadway...

[Warren Harding]

I was thinking the same thing about opponent's range. Ace or nine holdings are limited given PF call + flop CR-call. Most likely, he had a strong draw with the Q already in his hand, and possibly a pair on the side, or two pair.

But I'd still call down.

[Warren Harding]

Nice dog