Official JUNE thread: Goals, Winrates, General Discussion, etc - Page 48

Dan BRIGHT · #**471** 06-23-2006, 01:20 AM

Yves just post it. You're at like 1/2 the tables now ppl can just look for the 12 tabler with 17 vpip in shorthanded games

goodguy_1 · #**472** 06-23-2006, 01:22 AM

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1) I think a good player can beat 200nl for A LOT. 10ptb/100 is not unheard of. Most of your opponents at this level are droolers - hard core droolers.

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unheard of no but very uncommon on 2.03 Million hand $200 NLHE 6max database I have counted 91 players with 7,500 hands or more -these are the most active players presumably the best-only 5 players had winrates of 10.00ptbb/100. Only 3 out of 42 players with 10K hands or more acheived 10.00ptbb/100.

For me personally I ran at 12ptbb/100 my first 20K than ran around 6.50ptbb/100 my next 60K for what is now a earn rate of around ~7.25ptbb/100 on 80K hands..I'm trying to get this up to 8 ideally.

A good winrate at $200 is more than 5.00ptbb/100 but if you have any desire to make $400 your main game I think you should make at least 6ptbb/100..7+ is even better. If you are only doing around 5.00-6.00 which is great just for $200 my guess is you will struggle with the variance of $400 and a mediocre winrate of 3-4 ptbb/100..but the swings may curtail your getting in required hours and you may burn out.

I play both games now $200 and $400 and have luckily again gotten off to a fast start in the $400's but remember 10K,20K even 30K hands your true winrate can be way off from your results from this small a sample.

I would be sure to grind out 50K hands minimum at $200 at really a minimum of 6ptbb/100 before moving up..you can do that in a month or so. Dont be in such a hurry...

edit: I also just ran the numbers on a 2.11 Million hand $400 6max db I have. In this databse there are fewer players but the better players play many more hands due to winning players multi-tabling and grinding it out.

201 players have played 7,500 hands or more-only 4 out of 201 are 10ptbb/100+,only 11 out of 201 are 8ptbb/100+.

127 players have played 10,000 hands or more-only 2 out of 127 are 10ptbb/100+,only 8 out of 127 are 8ptbb/100+.

70 players have played 15,000 hands or more-only 1 out of 70 are 10ptbb/100+,only 5 out of 70 are 8ptbb/100+.

I think a realistic goal is attempt to do 6-8+ptbb/100 at the $200's and move up the $400's hopefully at 4-7ptbb/100..good luck with this .I spent time with this because I'm in between these 2 limits currently.

FGators · #**473** 06-23-2006, 01:23 AM

Is there a certain number of tables I should put a limit on if I want to play $1/2 NL with a $6000-6200 bankroll?

MDMA · #**474** 06-23-2006, 01:24 AM

Table selection at these lower levels are gonna make huge differences as well. You can end up on a lot of bad tables during the wrong times of day, 3+ REAL nits which, when too many on the table, you are not gonna make any real money of.

JKratzer · #**475** 06-23-2006, 01:29 AM

haha i know it

DJ Sensei · #**476** 06-23-2006, 01:43 AM

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Is there a certain number of tables I should put a limit on if I want to play $1/2 NL with a $6000-6200 bankroll?

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as many as you can handle. 6K is plennnnnnnty for nl200.

DJ Sensei · #**477** 06-23-2006, 01:49 AM

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I would be sure to grind out 50K hands minimum at $200 at really a minimum of 6ptbb/100 before moving up..you can do that in a month or so. Dont be in such a hurry...

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false.

Take shots at NL400 as soon as you have 8000 in the bankroll. If you are comfortable playing there (and properly rolled) theres no reason not to move up as fast as possible. If you find that you are not succeeding as much as you expected to, play more there. If you keep sucking, go back to 200 for some confidence boosters.

If you can beat NL200 and care about improving your game and studying to be a better player, you can beat NL400 for more money. no question.

goodguy_1 · #**478** 06-23-2006, 02:01 AM

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false.

Take shots at NL400 as soon as you have 8000 in the bankroll. If you are comfortable playing there (and properly rolled) theres no reason not to move up as fast as possible. If you find that you are not succeeding as much as you expected to, play more there. If you keep sucking, go back to 200 for some confidence boosters.

If you can beat NL200 and care

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false this is bad advice for 95% of players/posters that inquire about moving up.

this may work for the best players but the best players are only 5% or at most 10% of the pool of players that are attempting to play well. I think you do a disservice to the common guy who inquires on this board when you flaut this propaganda..

what happens is this most players end up breaking even or going bust playing too high too fast and end up playing a mix of multiple limits and spread themselves too thin mentally/emotionally...now of course I'm not talking about the gifted or natural great players as yourself that 1%-3% that breezes thru limits as they move up.. these players are not the norm you do realize that right?

Most players would do better long-term if they played more hands at every limit before moving up in general -just my 2 cents I know it sounds archaic but honestly feel for majority of pros this is the best approach for long term success which means staying in the game and not burning out.

Dan BRIGHT · #**479** 06-23-2006, 02:04 AM

Its not normal for me to play 10k hands at a limit before I move up and keep doing so?

Triumph36 · #**480** 06-23-2006, 02:08 AM

Nobody on here goes totally BUSTO just from poker unless they're a complete idiot. You can move up that early - just be prepared to move back down if you drop 5 buy-ins early.

My suggestion for moving up is to play half-stacked. Greater variance but less difficult decisions - easy to play 18/12 and watch the money roll in.

It depends on how risk-averse you are and what kind of ability you have to replenish your roll if necessary.